To tell Dog owners control you fecking dogs!

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I'll get flamed I don't care. I'm fed up of people letting their dogs run wild just had another dog clamour all over me when I'm walking down the street with a 'sorry' from the owner again this happens to often. Last week a dog off its lead stuck its head near my child pram.
Its simple if you can't control your dog off its lead then keep it on its lead until you get to the park.
I think I'm going to go nuclear next time :(

StanleyDog is on a lead in public to protect him from people like Evalyn. I don't want him to annoy humans and I certainly don't want ill informed fuckwits breathing their ignorant-germs all over him. He listens to Radio 4, dontchaknow.
He gets a good run off the lead when we're in empty fields so he won't be pestered by people queueing up to scowl and tut at him just because he's a dog.

Sure, I will as soon as parents start supervising their children from making noise outside when I'm on night shift, or their children coming up to my dog and getting into her face, or dropping litter and toys outside my house, screaming like they are getting murdered just for fun .. the list goes on really.

We all have to deal with things we'd rather not have to deal with. If I'm in an area where my dog doesn't need to be on a lead, she'll be off the lead. She'll generally stay away from people with a terrible attitude or over inflated self of entitlement anyway. So no worries OP.

First of all my mum has just rescued 2 blind Romanian carpathian sheep dogs. They were beaten by gypsies & thrown into a ditch, in a coma for 2 days before being rescued, rehabilitated as best they could and shipped over here. They are terrified of men, smokers, loud bangs and are trained to protect to the death any threat. They do not go off the lead and their leads have BLIND DOG printed all over them. When they hear a group of men, especially smokers, they will either whimper, cry, shake and run or they will turn into a pair of psycho, snarling, growling, barking guard dogs ready to rip them apart They're on the leads and can't get away but they are both big dogs and look bloody scary! Are we supposed to never walk them because they are traumatised and bark at men? They will improve with time when they realise they're not going to be hurt again but they would no doubt get the looks of disgust, comments and judged for being badly trained and us for being bad owners.

I was walking my neighbour's little dog last week, a tiny little sweet maltese/poodle. Such a sweet, happy, loving little girl, wants to love everyone and be friends with everyone, happy, bouncy, puppy. I was walking her off the lead on a quiet route through the woods and an older couple came towards us. Little pup goes bouncing up, barely ankle high, and the stupid bloody pair instead of ignoring her, walking on and maybe telling her no, down, go away if they must, stood still, looking at me while she jumped up at their legs. Well oh my god you'd thing they had been set upon by a pack of wild wolves for the looks & comments and reaction they had! First of all them stopping told her they were saying hello and were friends so she jumped even more, secondly what exact kind of ferocious killer threatening attack does an ankle tall fluffy happy little baby pup like that pose to them and thirdly they couldn't argue that she was getting mud on them as the route they were on was flooded and we were all caked in mud knee high. I honestly never thought that anyone would seriously have that big a problem with a tiny little thing like that saying hello, it seriously never crossed my mind that anyone would get that upset about a baby pup like that, it was ludicrous. I can understand people being scared of decent sized dogs or even ankle snappers, I can understand not wanting to be jumped on by a bigger or hairier or more threatening dog, I can understand being dressed in clean clothes not wanting a wet or muddy dog jumping on you, but a cotton wool ball like that??

Maybe it's because I've always been raised with animals but I actually think if non dog people can't cope with dogs coming to have a sniff or say hello then they shouldn't walk where dogs are walked off the lead. I've had dogs sniffing my daughter's pram or coming to sniff her when she was a toddler. I think it was good, teaching her respect for animals and how to handle them. If I was worried about a particular dog I picked her up or diverted my route. I really donâ??t see the huge fuss.

I do see where you're coming from Random as I've also grown up around dogs and other animals, so I'm naturally unfazed by pets and livestock. They simply are a part of my life like oxygen.

However others don't feel the same and it is not OK to allow a dog you are walking to bounce around somebody's legs. Even if she is tiny and cannot get past ankle height it's the thought that matters. And your thoughts should always be "does the person on the receiving end enjoy this?"

Another good question to ask yourself, if you own a small dog, is "Would this be funny/cute if my dog was a Rottweiler (or at least the size of one!)" where the answer is 'no' get that shit sorted out. Now. The rest of us are sick of picking up the pieces of your fucking incompetence.

What pieces are there to pick up from an ankle high puppy jumping on, not even your legs as she can't reach, but your already muddy shoes?? I was out with her for an hour and a half and this couple were the only people we saw on the walk. Was she supposed to be on the lead for an hour and a half for the sake of one couple and a 30 second interaction?? That's ludicrous! I think this couple were unreasonable, miserable old gits who should just stay indoors and stop bringing the rest of the happy world down. This puppy wasn't a rottweiler, if she was I could see the problem, though again a friendly rotty jumping on me really wouldn't phase me and I love all doggie cuddles, I love going for a picnic and dogs come to say hello, I love sitting in a pub and dogs come sniffing under the table, I love going in to shops where dogs are tied up outside and I can say hello, any time I see a dog brightens my day. I think this couple just hadn't got laid in 10 years and are taking it out on anyone they can find an excuse with frankly. It's a happy, friendly, living creature coming to say hello and spread a little joy, not a rabies loaded vicious spawn of Satan hell hound coming to claim your soul for the underworld. I agree that dogs who can't be trusted (mum's Romanian rescues for example) should be on a lead and I agree poos should be cleared up, though it doesn't bother me in the woods because it's the woods (!!), but I think some people seriously need to chill out and get some perspective.

Quite, random.
Just wanted to tell all the dog haters what a lovely day we had at the beach yesterday. At one point my girl was totally surrounded by kids who were hand feeding her biscuits.
Most people are normal, thankfully. These threads give a distorted view of people's attitude to dogs.

I think possibly the "dog haters" are seeking some kind of blanket protection from dogs because they're not allowed to discriminate against large, muscular dogs on the basis that they're supposed to "hate the deed, not the breed". So it's perfectly possible that "dog haters" actually love dogs and will wind up feeding random dogs biscuits like KittensoftPuppydog says.

I am not a dog hater (have posted on here about being in the middle ground - loving well behaved dogs, but hating poo on pavements). However, Random, I find your posts offputting.

Firstly, your Mum's sheepdogs. Yes, of course it is awful what happened to them but bloody hell they sound damaged, dangerous, out of control and unpredictable. How on earth does anyone know that your mum's dogs will ever recover and become normal, functioning dogs? I would be absolutely terrified of them if I encountered them and I am one of the live and let live people on this thread. I grew up with a dog, I like them, I just don't want one of my own.

There was an interesting programme with Louis Theroux last night about dogs in Los Angeles - quite an eye opener. At least they take action with out of control dogs. I found the programme quite upsetting but the authorities certainly aren't woolly with their problem.

As for your comments about the elderly couple and your 'cotton wool ball' jumping up at them. How wrong of you to say this I think this couple just hadn't got laid in 10 years. You've just undone all the reasoned discussion on here with that comment as far as I'm concerned. How do you know one of the couple hadn't been attacked by a dog years ago? It's attitudes like that, that make me dislike dog owners and that is really not me as I am pretty easygoing on this subject.

Well said, Rousette.

My first thought was that if the older couple had not stopped, one of them could quite easily have tripped over your uncontrolled dog and broken something. You might retort here with, "The mud was soft so no one would have been hurt."

Why is the couple's age relevant?

If they had tripped and hurt themselves, you could have been sued for injury, damage to belongings being carried, trauma....

I do like some dogs, will pat some but not others. What other people and I dislike is their freely pooing anywhere and its not being picked up, with dogs and owners thinking that jumping up, taking picnic food and generally being a nuisance is not a problem for others. You might think that your dog is 'friendly' but others do not know this so do not want an intruding dog imposing on them. You might tell them that your dog is friendly but it's too late.

What about the neighbours dog who barks constantly while they're at work. When another neighbour politely mentioned it to them (more out of concern for the dog than anything) they just said "oh no, he wouldn't bark just because we're out". You're not at home to hear it you fucking imbeciles!

So Rousette you think mum's 2 should be put down? They are happy, healthy, much loved, great family pets but they are traumatised and probably brain damaged, one certainly and quite significantly I think, but because they bark out of fear and look ferocious when they do it they should be killed?? Should an ADHD child who gets aggressive and yells and even attacks be put down?? It's the same thing! Mum's dogs are as entitled to a life as you are. The most damaged of the two, the least trustworthy one, yesterday was sitting on my lap (despite being the same size as me!) with his head tucked under my arm, whimpering into me and shaking for an hour while I was kissing his dented caved in head and giving him cuddles saying "it's OK, baby, it's OK" because he heard a man's voice outside. Yeah, real psycho killer! Should they be locked up & never taken for a walk because they might bark at someone? That's animal cruelty! Or they should be only walked where no other humans go? Well where is that?? Even between the house and getting somewhere like that if it exists they'll meet humans! And they will never get better if they don't get used to men and realise they're not going to be hurt. They've already improved dramatically in the last 4 months since they've been here and they will continue to, but I'd never trust them off the lead or 100% with men because at the end of the day they are free thinking living creatures always capable of having a bad day, reacting to a perceived threat or having a bad PTSD trigger.

As for the cotton wool ball (which I said isn't mine by the way, it's a neighbour's) sorry but the thing is the size of my DM boot and looks like a marshmallow, her mouth is the size of a grape, if someone is scared of that then they really have serious problems and should not leave the house as that is the least threatening thing they will come across every time they do. The old farts were grumpy, unreasonable and bloody stupid and I have no time for people like that and frankly am glad they were made so horrendously uncomfortable for that whole 30 seconds. They lived through the war but can't cope with a powder puff? They shouldn't go out then or should move to a pet free retirement village. Ridiculous people.

Random - dogs aren't humans. And how on earth do you know they are ever going to get better? You don't. You have no idea. They could get worse. There were dogs in that programme last night I watched that just got worse and worse until there was no choice in the matter. One of them attacked it's loving owner out the blue after 5 years of trying to make the dog better. You say these two ferocious dogs are brain damaged that turn into (in your words) 'psycho, snarling, barking, growling guard dogs ready to rip someone apart.' That speaks for itself.. As for your comment about an ADHD child being 'put down', I won't even grace that with a comment, as it sums up your whole defensive post. I didn't call these dogs 'psycho killers', you did. They are unpredictable animals though and if that was my Mum, I wouldn't want her trying to cope with that because who knows when they might turn on her? But it's nothing to do with me and I just hope me, my OH or my male friends never bump into these dogs or any similar.

As for the cotton wool ball - you know the dog, they don't. You can't speak for the 'old farts' (as you so nicely call them). They didn't ask to be jumped up at by a dog, however small. I do agree with you that they should have just walked on.

You can't compare a dog's life to a child's life. Have you ever spoken to someone who has lost a child?

And therein lies the issue - my mum sees her dogs as part of the family as much as any human with the same rights and deserving of the same love and care, they are her babies. My mum won't put these dogs down because they bark and I agree, even more so if they've had a terrible life and she is their happy ever after. They are never off the lead out of the house and never will be. They are improving because they've started accepting male friends and family members coming into the house and even a male workman the other day, 4 months ago they needed to be locked in another room and went hell for leather at the door, now they'll even say hello and accept a stroke from them. They are not going as crazy as they were out & about & are improving all the time. Maybe dog haters could actually try a little compassion, love, humanity, understanding and care.

I'm not a dog-hater; I am a dog-lover. I believed I loved my dog as much as I could ever love a child before I had children. Now I understand that it's bonkers to compare dog life with human life.

This is one of the sticking points where dog people lose their battle, is when they start comparing them to humans. As much as I empathize with abused dogs & want to see their owners severely punished - fundamentally flawed dogs should be put down.

Where is your understanding random

You sound like a dog person who gives other dog people a bad name.

If anyone doesn't want a dog to jump up at them, then that is their right. Cotton wool ball or not. You have no idea if they are allergic, have been attacked before, or just don't like dogs. It doesn't matter the reason, they have that right.

You saying they are miserable, unreasonable, shouldn't leave the house, house, should move house, calling them old gits, grumpy, stupid, and that you were GLAD they were uncomfortable, paints you in a very poor light. It also goes some way to explain the blanket dislike some people have for dog owners.

My mum has obviously had kids, nearly 40 years ago and those days are long gone. Her dogs now are the babies she can no longer have and company and something to keep her occupied. My dog before I had children was my baby. My 18 year old cat now is still a part of my family. You cannot judge other people for loving their animals and the importance of the pet's role in their life. People here need to chill out.

just today had a dog jump up at ds (18m) and knocked over. He hit his head but happened to be wearing a cycle helmet. The stupid dog owner said: 'you'll have a dog one day, then you'll understand'. Fuck of. I've had two dogs myself and one of them I could not trust off the lead, so he wasn't left to rampage about. control your animal. grrr

Nunquam I have said all the way through I can understand all those things but I think a bit of perspective is required! This couple were miserable, grumpy, unreasonable, overreacting, rude and ridiculously intolerant in a situation where the dog caused no problem to them at all. There was no need for the overly bad looks, the end of the world comments and the judgemental attitude as if the dog had just raped the woman FFS. She is a poodle cross because of allergies so that's not the issue (and regardless I never buy that as an excuse as I am allergic to animal fur and have had to have the odd trip to A&E over the years with a bad reaction but I think the joy of animals far outweighs an itch & sniff) and they were just being miserable. It was ludicrous. As soon as I saw how stupid they were and what a pathetic display they were about to demonstrate I was yelling for the dog to come back and going to pick her up & get her away, it's not like I just stood there laughing but frankly that ridiculous song and dance made me slow down and not call quite so loudly and I was wishing for a huge bounding Great Dane to come leaping round the corner & knock them flying. THAT may deserve that reaction.

You are still being inconsiderate. You can't expect everyone to share your joy of animals. Equally not everyone has the same level of allergy as you.

I am surprised you are so blinkered as to not understand that your world experience is not the same as anyone else's.

You wish a Great Dane would have knocked an old couple flying? You sound very irrational.

Random, you're doing the dog people no favours here throwing to justify bad behaviour and unpredictable, potentially dangerous dogs. You're just giving the dog haters more ammunition.

There is absolutely no way I'm going to keep my dog on the lead the whole time just to please people like evalyn but neither am I going to allow him to jump up at people who don't like it. There is a middle ground of reasonableness on all sides. Although you wouldn't know it from this conversation.....

trying to justify

I have a 7 year old who is severely disabled (in some ways his development is like that of a 12 month old). He loves being outdoors but has no understanding of dogs - of how to behave around them or of how they could hurt him. I would never let him approach a dog but some (and it is only some) dog owners think it is ok to let their dog sniff around or even jump up at his sn buggy. This is with him flapping, making noises and banging about. He was out of his buggy at the weekend and one dog was allowed to run up to him and jump up behind him, placing it's front paws on his back. He immediately started screaming and hitting himself and all the owner could say was 'he is just being friendly. He likes children'. I want to be able to take my son out to places that I consider safe without having to worry about dogs.

No actually I don't feel the need to justify the rights or wrongs of a powder puff jumping on a shoe because no one is ever going to convince me that that is some huge terrible catastrophe with life threatening repercussions, it SO is not. I have said continually I understand a fear of dogs, I understand not wanting wet, muddy, moulting dogs making clothes mucky and I understand non friendly dogs causing concern, and clearing up poos. What I cannot accept is the complete intolerance and total blanket "all dogs" attitude and I'm not going to. Sorry if that offends but tough, a powder puff is not a Great Dane.

Random, you are typifying what posters on here are rallying against - inconsiderate dog owners who put animals on the same level with humans. They are animals for gods sake. I love dogs, (some) I totally 'get' how much they mean to people but I don't get your posts at all because you are the sort of dog lover that does my head in.

And I certainly wouldn't want my mum looking after two psycho dogs who might well get worse as opposed to better. I am sure they are improving to what they were like in the beginning because you and your mum are trying hard to mend them. However, they are animals and they are unpredictable and I would never personally want to be in a room with them. (particularly as for a woman I have a deep voice!)