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to have let dd speak her mind to dp?

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MrsHamsterCheeks · 13/03/2014 22:55

Dd is 7, dp has been around since she was one. Recently she's been really off with him - not wanting him to take her to school, hold her hand,read to her and so on. She'd rather miss out on doing something she enjoys than do it with him. He seems to just grate on her. For example, if her breakfast is ready I'd tell her so, if she didn't go to eat it within a minute I'd check she'd heard then leave her to it - her own fault if it goes cold, though 99% of the time she goes within a couple of minutes.

Dp on the other hand would tell her it's ready, then keeping saying 'come on, breakfast is ready' every twenty seconds until she gets annoyed or even try and lead her to the table. She is very headstrong and likes to do things on her own terms but he just doesn't seem to get her anymore. By his method she usually leaves her breakfast then he'll offer her something else, so it isn't that I'm pandering to her - quite the opposite.

Today dp took our dd (14 months) out for a few hours as I had some work to catch up on. He then collected dd from school and took her to the dentist. When they returned I had cooked tea, I washed up, tidied, sorted out school bags, bathed the kids, did homework with dd, read stories with them both etc. He watched football and/or sat on his phone.

When he heard me telling dd2 that it was the last story I heard him creep upstairs and go and sit on dd1s bed as she'd been playing in her room. When dd2 and I entered dd1 glared at dp and said: 'i don't know why you're pretending you've been playing with me, mummy knows you've been downstairs on your phone you know.' He mumbled something about tidying up and she started ranting about how he hadn't tidied up, or washed up, or anything else because I'd done it as well as everything else while he played on his phone Confused

She then proceeded to tell him that all he'd done that evening was upset dd2 by making her have tummy ache because all he'd fed her today was two lots of chips and a packet of crisps and by turning off the iPad quickly when he heard me coming downstairs so I wouldn't know he'd stuck dd2 in front of igglepiggle 'yet again.' I honestly never rant to or about dp so this tirade hasn't come from me.

Dp looked shocked and had a go at her for being a 'completely disrespectful little madame' and turned to me and said 'are you going to let her speak to me like this?' Dd2 was then sick so I had to sort her out but I could hear her and dp still bickering. I put dd1 to bed and said we'll talk in the morning as dd2 is still being sick and dp gone to work.

Aibu to have let her speak her mind? I feel it might do her good to get it off her chest as the resentment has obviously been building but then feel I'm undermining dp. However, everything she said was true so I can't tell her off for that. Maybe just speak to her about voicing her opinions more respectfully?? What do you think?

OP posts:
BoneyBackJefferson · 17/03/2014 06:59

MrsHamsterCheeks

So he has taken on board what you have said and he is still wrong?

TheSherrif · 17/03/2014 07:10

OP you just don't like him very much do you? Poor bloke.

MrsHamsterCheeks · 17/03/2014 07:11

How am I picking fights in front of the children toad?? Don't understand where you've got that idea from.

Boney - he didn't wrestle a hairbrush off her, big deal. He still mostly ignored her until he wanted her to do.something, expected immediate following of orders despite it being an unnecessary request and then proceeded to argue with her about it for twenty mins and still didn't get to brush her hair. She gets 100% more attention from him by arguing than she does otherwise. There are no consequences from him for not doing as asked. Total miserable waste of everyone's time IMO.

OP posts:
MrsHamsterCheeks · 17/03/2014 07:15

Of course I like him. It just frustrates me that he can be a great parent and we can work as a team in front of mil/friends/on days out but at home he disengages andhis only contribution is to ccause arguments over nothing.

OP posts:
TamerB · 17/03/2014 07:24

I can't believe this is still rumbling on! Mistressdeecee said it all on Friday at 10.06am, with a very sensible summing up.

Dinosaurporn · 17/03/2014 07:26

So are you pregnant?

You need to get some sort of relationship guidance / therapy as bring a child up whilst you have very little positive to say about your partner is causing problems.

daffodildays · 17/03/2014 07:47

If somebody asked me to brush my hair (I am tired and can't think of an age appropriate example), I started to brush it, they said, no, I will brush it for you, I said, no, it is okay, I am brushing it, and they continued to ask for 20 minutes despite me repeating no, I would consider that harrassment.

Sorry, that seems obvious to me.

The DP cannot provoke the DD and/or assert his will by wrestling the hair brush off her, so he is now trying to do it by harrassing her. He was trying to get a rise out of either or both the OP and the DD. Even if that is not the case, it is back to the point about not respecting boundaries. The DD said no to him touching her.

The appropriate response would have been to say, fine, let me know if you need help.

SusannahReid · 17/03/2014 07:48

Dear MrsHamster, you don't have to stay with this man or feel guilty about ending it. If he is making home life a misery it is no good for anyone. Very much DISagree with posters saying "Poor DP". If he is able to pretend, in front of MIL that he is helping and engaged, but doesn't bother if no one is watching, then he is manipulative, clever, because he will have people to back him up. saying how wonderful he is.

youarewinning · 17/03/2014 07:54

The is clearly a lot of issues for everyone involved here.

Velcro toddler who doesn't sleep
7yo who now has to accept DP has his own DD
Mum who believes her parenting style is the one right one
DP who clearly disengages and attempts at interaction are poorly executed
7yo who rants at adult regards something they couldn't know as they were at school (what Dd2 had eaten)

I don't think you can just blame the DP here. It's the whole dynamics that need sorting.

clam · 17/03/2014 12:19

It seems you're a competent woman, who is having to parent 3 children, not 2. No wonder you're frustrated when he pesters for sex too.

2rebecca · 17/03/2014 12:26

It all sounds bizarre. Surely if DD1 was capable of brushing her hair she'd have done it in 2 minutes and there would have been no need to be still arguing about it 20 minutes later because the job would have been done and the brush put away. If she was still brushing it 20 min later she was obviously struggling and it's not unreasonable for him to want to get the job done.
If my husband had gone on about wanting to brush my daughter's hair when she was capable of doing it herself I'd have told him she could do it herself and to leave her and suggested my husband went and did something else and leave her to it. hair brushing is usually done in bedrooms or bathrooms so I'm not sure why he was hanging about watching her, apart from the fact that when he's not watching her he's accused of not being an adequate parent.
When DD2 was climbing all over you when you were with DD1 why didn't you just remove her from you and give her to your partner rather than give in to her. It does sound as though the girls are fine with you because you constantly fuss over them. If DD2 is happy playing with cars on her own how come she was having a tantrum because her father wasn't watching her? Are the 2 girls ever happy to just do stuff on their own without an adult fussing over them?
It does sound as though there is alot of bickering for the sake of bickering in your house.

franksleftfoot · 17/03/2014 12:31

Sounds like you need a chat with dd about how she could have expressed herself better and that if she has issues she needs to talk to you about it, but you clearly have a big problem in the background and it is unreasonable to expect a 7 year old to behave in a diplomatic and tactful fashion. Sounds like it's been building up for a while and she just snapped.
If she's been dragging her heels on stuff like breakfast there is likely to be a lot bottled up she needs to talk to you about properly.
p.s. DP made your youngest child physically sick after just 4 hours care. A big sister is going to be protective

MrsHamsterCheeks · 17/03/2014 13:10

2rebecca she didn't have a tantrum because he wasn't watching her play with cars. She was upset because he followed her and then removed her from where she waspplaying happily before dumping her back down a few minutes later for me to deal with. With regard to the hair brushing, yes he was watching her in her room. She was done in two mins but he carried on with 'you must listen when I tell you thing' and she continued with 'i can brush my own hair, if I needed help I'd ask etc.'

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Cigarettesandsmirnoff · 17/03/2014 13:44

What do you want out of this op?

It's sounds as if you hate your dp. Just leave rather than trying to convince a bunch of strangers how horrible he is.

BorcestshireBlue · 17/03/2014 15:09

So, if you were all in the bedroom for 20 minutes while this hair brushing fiasco was going on why didn't you intervene.

You could have supported them both to a happy outcome, instead you chose to watch - I fail to understand why?

BettySwollocksandaCrustyRack · 17/03/2014 15:16

Well I suppose there is speaking your mind and there is being plain rude and disrespectful........I haven't read all the messages but from what I have read your daughter is the latter.

2rebecca · 17/03/2014 16:45

The tantrum I referred to was earlier on when you said she started crying because he wasn't watching her and you implied that she cried every time she didn't get his full attention.
With my kids I tend to take the lead in parenting when we are both there as they aren't my husbands kids, I keep out of discussions between my husband and his kids (who are now adults). I think if they are going round in circles you should intervene and tell him the hair brushing is sorted now, isn't it great she can do more stuff herself, and drag him downstairs to do something more interesting than argue.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 17/03/2014 16:51

OP... would you consider reading WurstWitch's post and seeing whether any of that is applicable to your situation? It's a fantastic post, very non-judgemental and packed with honesty. I can certainly relate to a lot of it.

Anyway, it is up to you how you proceed with this, it's your family at risk. If you can't find a way of being a parent with your partner then I suppose it will be as well to consider how it will be to parent alone as that is probably the outcome.

I would find your oldest daughter exhausting from the way you've written about her. Your posts seems to me as if you see her as some kind of 'ally' rather than a daughter. I don't believe that you'd take it on the chin if your partner was posting about you in the way that you've posted about him here. It's hard reading and, if it's true, then you have some decisions to make.

2rebecca · 17/03/2014 16:53

How do we know that the man "made" the little girl vomit? We have a 7 year old who wasn't there at the time saying what she thought a 14 month old who's too young to say for herself might have eaten all day and a toddler who had tummy ache in the afternoon and vomited in the evening. I'd have thought a mild tummy bug was more likely. Chips don't normally make children vomit. If he's been with the OP for 6 years he should have some idea of what to feed the children. If he's that incompetent that you can't trust him to look after the kids I'd be ditching him, although as he's the youngest's dad he'll be seeing her alone even if they separate.

Toadinthehole · 17/03/2014 17:36

DP - please brush your hair
DD - OK
DP - no I must brush it
DD - no I'm doing what you said
DP - no, give the brush to me
DD - no I'm doing it.
Repeat ad nauseum for 20 minutes.

Sorry, this makes no sense to me. It is clearly not the full picture.

Toadinthehole · 17/03/2014 17:44

MrsHamster

I've read every post on this thread - including yours with particular interest.

The reason why I think you are picking fights with your dp is firstly because your dd has picked a fight with him too - if you are telling him off, and he is not defending himself, she will have no reason to believe that you are wrong. I have no doubt that my children would have behaved the same way if I hadn't stood up for myself.

The second reason is that the examples you give of your DP's behaviour are so bizarre that either he's just exceptionally maladroit or you have taken a really jaundiced view of what he does.

I will not say you are to blame. You sound like you're under a very great deal of stress.

confuddledDOTcom · 17/03/2014 17:48

Makes perfect sense. DP told her to brush her hair, she agreed, he then changes the rules and says he has to do it. She's been reasonable and done what she's been told to do and doesn't understand why she's being told off or why the goalposts have changed. I see the same thing with my OH, he's like "she did what she was told, can't have that or I'll never have to say no" so he changes the rules. It's a consistency thing, children don't respond well to inconsistency.

TheBody · 17/03/2014 17:51

this thread is very frustrating op.

why are you posting in aibu? you obviously think you arnt so what's the point?

fwiw with the drip feeding of hair brushing and car playing and vomiting toddler I for one am totally exhausted.

relationships are supposed to be fun. childhood is supposed to be fun. you owe that to your dcs. please either fix your adult relationship or split.

you can't keep dragging your kids into this taking sides and acting as mouth pieces of your frustration.

they deserve better parenting than either of you seem to be giving and better role models.

BoneyBackJefferson · 17/03/2014 18:04

I am fairly sure that quite a few of us will not agree on the details of this thread but TBH I can say hand on heart that this is a dynamic that is not going to work.

So leave him, make a break, sort out contact, let him build his own relationship with his DD(s).

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 17/03/2014 18:08

Agree with TheBody and BoneyBack's posts. It's not working for you, is it OP? If you don't take steps to fix this with your partner or split then you'll be getting the same result again and again - to the detriment of your children who will have no choice in the matter.

I'm sorry for you; you do sound stressed out and unsure of what to do but you will have to snap out of that inertia and do something.

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