To think that women are treated like shit by society?

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Especially single mothers. I have been discriminated against several times about my lack of marital status.
I'm fed up with the whole way that society treats women and I'm worried about my dd.
I do love men and they make good friends but society gives out this message that it is important to be married and/ or in a relationship. Single women are seen as a threat and / or failures.
Women in relationships are often repressed. The media promotes this 'perfect' body image and porn.
I mean I know it's been done to death but why do we put up with it?
What is worse it that we are our own worse enemy. Women see each other as threats too.

mrscumberbatch...I am teetotal so assume nothing! Look, I love my DH too.....he is brilliant. But I don't think for one minute he is typical of men as a whole! I wish!! Don't you SEE the world around you and how men treat women?? Don't you SEE?

YANBU x 1000

Although you are brave to post a feministy OP over here on the dark side of Mumsnet

Girlnumbersix having thrown an accusation at me, please do me the courtesy of answering my question.

I honestly dont think I have ever experienced sexism personally in my life yet

Well I like men as I like sex, flirting, non-girly conversations and banter. This is all very well to a pointbut they still like to be in charge And as my ex male manager prooved, he encouraged harrassment of myself Iin the work place.

Evidence #1 Note how she brings women into the equation in a negative capacity.
I am surrounded by more men than women in my life. They rock.

Evidence #2. Again note how she brings women into the equation. But nope...she isn't favouring men over women AT ALL!!
these men in my life are the closest people to me. Why should I replace them with women?

Look, I am not interested in arguing....I simply asked WHY people love men. All I got in response was vitriol, with not one person choosing to answer me properly.

gosh really georgesdino?
i remember working in an office in the mid 90s where all the men had those screen covers to save their eyes but not the women....
also later than that, being the only person in the office without a contract, that was after they realised that i might get called away to small children.....
oh and some other stuff but not really important.
I think if we are going to be actively feminist it should be for the women from really oppressive societies; let's face it we can do what we like in this country, train as a doctor, get a divorce whatever.

Why is that sentence putting women in a negative capacity??? I have more men in my life than women. I love them. They are great. Again, how is that putting women in a negative capacity?

I have a DH, three DSes, two brothers. All the closest people to me.

How is any of that anti women????

I am truly puzzled by your blinkered stance Girlnumbersix. Are you sure you're teetotal?

I was still at school at that point. There was nothing sexist at my school, or in any of my workplaces, my childhood home or my marital home.

well that is good to hear georges

I love many men in many ways but I can still see enormous amounts of sexism all over the place.

Guy in gym last week, when he didn't like that I pulled him up on selfish gym behaviour, (against clearly stated rules) retorted back that I was a whiny bitch amongst other gendered insults. Big hard man see Twat didn't like it either when the female gym manager launched him out five minutes later either. I expect we are both frigid bitches as he tells all and sundry about dem slags at his ex gym.

Man at door today asks if my husband is home so he can flog us some guttering. No he's not arsehole, not every house has a husband. You do realise that don't you. I really don't think he did. Or maybe only houses with husbands need soffits, I dunno

I could go on, its everywhere. For every poster who says she's never noticed sexism there will be many many more who have been on the receiving end of it. Of that I am sure.

Girlsix...I did later state to another poster that corporations/ general opinion is stacked against women whether we feel the brunt of it or not.

We are more or less saying the same thing only I don't have a problem with 'men' as a whole. I have a problem with society as a whole which is largely governed by the patriarchy.

In Real Life, some women are treated like shit, some of the time. Some are not. Ditto, some men are treated like shit. Some are not.

But this is MN, where some women believe All Men Are Always Bastards.

Fortunately, some do not.

Bowler WHY WHY WHY do you love them?? I have asked this question a jillion times and no one has answered. I have a son that I lve as a son, a dad I love as my dad....but I don't say I love men as if they are the Borg!!!

And as a recovering alcoholic I can tell you now that yes, I am tee total.

Ok I think I see, mrscumberbatch...thanks!!! :)

I am sorry if I came across as rude before!

you don't have to adopt an 'all men are bastards' stance to be aware of gendered inequality do you? they seem like two quite different sets of views

most people accept that racism is alive and kicking in the UK without facing accusations of hating white people, for example

so what do you mean mitchy, that only white people are capable of racism?

Girl you are getting ridiculous. I love the many men in my life. They are fantastic people. I don't see why I need to justify to you, my love for them. I have many female friends too. But the most important people to me, are male.

Girlsix, do you agree that the number of women who instill anti-feminist politics towards women are probably just as big a problem as the men?

I mean, really it's people not being able to see the wood for the trees IMHO.

oi

every time I see your name I get a mental image of Nigella face down in a fruit bowl of coke

it's just a structural thing isn't it, we are all part of it (the sexism not the fruit bowl)

yes you are right - mitchy.
i will not tell you what mental image I get when I see your name then

Haha that's an interesting point Nigella.

Some of the worst perpetrators of racism against afro carribean people that I have heard has come from Afro Caribbean people. Ditto with Indian.

I assumed that it was partly class politics.

YANBU
The level of both blatant and insidious sexism is very high. Every time women make some ground, the bar and the judgement gets raised against them. It may be less discernible at a personal level but it is everywhere.
I find the anti-feminist women views painful to respect, everyone is entitled to an opinion, but this attitude seems so self-defeating.

mrsc.....yes, but I think I get where these women come from. We are SO conditioned to please men, to put ourselves second, so that any woman who does not conform is seen as actually quite powerful (and weird), and as a threat to us. But because I SEE where they come from, I don't want to attack them. And so I won't.

Does your husband speak out about abuses toward women? What does he do and say exactly??

Bowler, you are very rude. So I don't FEEL the same way as you do...are YOU the boss??? Should everyone feel like you??

Stop stalking me and leave me alone.