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To Think Buying Your Unborn Baby A Golliwog

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NurseyWursey · 08/03/2014 19:00

and posting the photo on facebook, is in bad taste?

It just seems a bit Confused to me.

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gordyslovesheep · 08/03/2014 22:45

or maybe they are teaching the colours of the rainbow or some other thing - have you asked them?

Black sheep/board/coffee etc have never been 'banned' words - unless you read the Daily Fail and like UKIP and the EDL

it's not true

RalphLaurenLover · 08/03/2014 22:46

MrsDevere

What I say is true. Then again I don't go a school in your London Boroughs Hmm

MrsDeVere · 08/03/2014 22:47

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gordyslovesheep · 08/03/2014 22:48

jesus Ralph you teach your kids nothing except what they get from school???

I had a great discussion with my 11 year old last Thursday about social housing and urban planning and the history or movement and town planning since the 1800's - just be driving through an estate

do you talk to your kids? Do you encourage questions? Debate?

I was raised in a house where it was normal to discuss life, news, history etc - I certainly don't expect schools to teach my kids everything

gordyslovesheep · 08/03/2014 22:48

of not or

RalphLaurenLover · 08/03/2014 22:48

Gordy You sing the colours rainbow song to learn that ? Unless that's only our school. If you said 'black board' you were chalk board.

It's all done on white boards or the interactive boards now anyway

nennypops · 08/03/2014 22:50

Ralph, does it not occur to you that people watch historical TV programmes with their children and talk about them? And similarly go to things like museums which record history and again talk about what they have seen?

I must say I find your suggestion that you should just ignore anything offensive and hope it will go away quite bizarre. If i became aware that my neighbours were regularly abusing their children, I would find that deeply offensive and I would never ignore it.

gordyslovesheep · 08/03/2014 22:50

no it wasn't you are talking boswellox Ralph - black boards where black boards - still are where we still have them

I agree with Mrs D - you are having fun tonight aren't you

parkin2010 · 08/03/2014 22:53

Why would I make that up? I'm not that sad or desperate to prove my point! It really does piss me off and yes it does sound like the sort of shite idiots would share on facebook without truth or foundation in order to promote a racist ideology. So it does pain me to use that as an example. It seems on here it is a competitive field to be as liberal as possible and if you are not that you get labelled as thick or stupid- never good arguments in my book and ones which just alienate me from the writer's stance. The day we can mention and talk about the connotations of gollywogs for instance without it become personal on here- which incidentally I don't do- is the day that the cloud of racism is seemingly being lifted from our society. The anger and sense of mistrust on these boards is enough to convince me it is certainly alive and well rather than just being apparent in overt symbols such as gollywogs. Very sad reading.

gordyslovesheep · 08/03/2014 22:54

hyperbole much Grin

RalphLaurenLover · 08/03/2014 22:55

No I don't talk or sing to him we just co exist. Hmm he's bloody two I wouldn't sit down and talk to him about the latest election.

I had a great discussion with my 11 year old last Thursday about social housing and urban planning and the history or movement and town planning since the 1800's - just be driving through an estate

Wouldn't have a clue what that was about.

I can honestly say when I was young my parents never sat me down to discus the news or history.

gordyslovesheep · 08/03/2014 22:55

that's a massive suprise

and a shame

Wantsunshine · 08/03/2014 22:56

Gordy you are right you really must debate things such as you suggest. It would be really worrying I you child only had a your teachers view. For example I think unions are not good thing and remember at school teachers really pushing their issues on us ass children so I do mKe sure I talk to mine to give a different view

gordyslovesheep · 08/03/2014 22:56

and a bit of a shock if you 'studied history' - surely you learned about the industrial revolution and the movement of people into towns?

RalphLaurenLover · 08/03/2014 22:57

Ralph, does it not occur to you that people watch historical TV programmes with their children and talk about them? And similarly go to things like museums which record history and again talk about what they have seen?

My parents never watched historical tv with me, we never went to museums the school took us there. The most historical my TV has gotten is Horrible Histories

Dawndonnaagain · 08/03/2014 23:02

Parkin

  1. Try seeing it from a 17 year olds point of view.
  2. Your last post is obfuscatory, and employs the logical fallacy of the middle ground. The connotations of gollywogs being an overt symbol of racism, which we can end it by discussing it reasonably. There is no middle ground here. It's racist. End of.
Dawndonnaagain · 08/03/2014 23:04

And yet Ralph you are able to spell reasonably well and construct a coherent sentence, which would imply that your education was not quite as shit as you would have us believe, was it.
As others have said, you are playing a game.

MistressDeeCee · 08/03/2014 23:06

Entertaining thread

Im not even going to draw breath about the blockhead 'its just a doll' crew

Ralph is the funniest - a white guy (or more likely, woman) pretending to be black or at least have some black blood in his/her veins, and not doing it very well either. Grin . Actually he/she/it is not doing a good impression of being 'young' either. It talks like a caricature

Its a shame good, decent people are taking time to attempt to educate the stupid.

You should know a complete wind up when you see one though.

RalphLaurenLover · 08/03/2014 23:06

Every School teaches you to read and write.. That would be the basics.

OhMerGerd · 08/03/2014 23:07

We had a shop in town that displayed these things in its window as a sign of defiance to 'pc gawn maaad'. There was even an article in the local paper saying something like 'window display[of racially offensive and outdated stereotype stuffed ragged dolls] will be proudly on show in local gift shop despite loony complainers' or some such.

The operative word in the above is 'HAD'. Hardly anyone went in for the 'everything must go, last day or closing' sales. Well of course the 20 or so people who had egged on said shopkeeper with their 'letters to the editor' of support and who'd posed triumphantly alongside offending display for local paper ... they went in. But I suppose there must be a limit to the number of these things any one person, including the most hardened racist, can have in the house and even they couldn't keep the shop afloat.

On the bright side, it's a very nice Polish deli now. It's thriving.

Times change. The GW really does need consigning to the museum. It's no longer acceptable. Bin it and Get over it.

Oh and to buy one for an unborn child and post it on Facebook... Let's hope its a temporary lapse of judgement brought on by an hormonal imbalance ...I pity the child having to grow up in the 21st century with such backward thinking parents.

Babymamaroon · 08/03/2014 23:10

In my view they're a toy. No offence intended and none should be taken.

RalphLaurenLover · 08/03/2014 23:12

MistressDeeCee

Hate to break it to you I am black, I am a woman and I am in my twenties.

Sorry to break your bubble. Hmm I'm going to go bore myself to death with the history channel family guy nothing screams fun like that Hmm

RabbitPies · 08/03/2014 23:13

They're an incredibly racist toy.

TheOriginalSteamingNit · 08/03/2014 23:16

People can be black and still be idiots.

parkin2010 · 08/03/2014 23:17

I didn't see it from a 17 year olds point of view because in fairness that wasnt the post posted. The incident mentioned by your daughter was horrible- I am in total agreement. I do not see however, as much as I have admiration for her why she felt the need to suggest I was racist or bring her disability into her argument, OR presume I do not know how it feels to feel the wrath and effects of racism. I have never once stated I don't see gollywogs as not racist if you read my post. However, for most people years ago they were not associated with black people in their mind. My grandma is not racist- she collected them from the simplistic point of view that she just liked them. To insinuate that everyone who owns one or has owned one is racist is inflammatory to me. Most young people today will probably not even be aware of them- they are so far removed from modern society.

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