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To Think Buying Your Unborn Baby A Golliwog

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NurseyWursey · 08/03/2014 19:00

and posting the photo on facebook, is in bad taste?

It just seems a bit Confused to me.

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gordyslovesheep · 08/03/2014 20:41

and yet you have been posting on this thread for over an hour Hmm

I am glad some people have the balls to stand up and fight back - I am glad most people recognise and object to racist imagery

thank god for them

zippey · 08/03/2014 20:42

I think they are quite cute to look at, but I do understand that they are racist and offensive to black people, and most black people find them degrading, so I would never buy one.

Meepers · 08/03/2014 20:42

You actually come across as defending racist behaviour.

Silence breeds ignorance - I'm going to guess your household was relatively quiet.

Joysmum · 08/03/2014 20:44

You're missing the point, it's about intent.

I like them as icons, when I was a child I had no idea about the history. I do now but I still like them as icons whilst remaining utterly bewildered and repulsed by people who see other human beings according to their skin colour. Never understood it myself.

MajorGrinch · 08/03/2014 20:44

I think we've got one (possibly two) in the house somewhere. I know we had some Robinsons badges somewhere.

They certainly don't indicate that any of us are racist and, personally, anyone that would "unfriend" me when they found out there was one in the house isn't someone that I'd want to have as a friend as they sound far too much trouble.

There are plenty of people without Golligwogs that manage to be perfectly racist so forgive me if I choose not to take it as an accurate measure of someone's views....

tethersend · 08/03/2014 20:45

It's been a while since we've had one of these threads... I'll try and keep my views brief.

  1. Golliwogs are racist.
  1. This does not make a child/sweet little granny/anyone who does not understand the history and owns one racist.
  1. If adults still want to keep/buy/sell/knit golliwogs after having it pointed out how racist the dolls are, then they will be thought of as racist.
  1. A black person owning one/saying they're ok does not make a golliwog not racist.
  1. Objecting to golliwogs does not mean objecting to black dolls
  1. Golliwogs are not racist because they contain the word 'wog'. They are racist because they are distorted, offensive caricatures of black people. The word 'wog', although there is evidence to suggest it is Egyptian in origin, was often used as a term of abuse because it was short for golliwog. Calling them gollies does not stop them being racist.
  1. History of the golliwog

I think that's everything?

Dawndonnaagain · 08/03/2014 20:46

It's not just about the word, or the imagery, it's your attitude to racism in general, you come across as not giving a damn, and yet it has been clearly demonstrated that children from black backgrounds have fewer educational and work place chances than their white counterparts. That would be because society is still intrinsically racist, and you would do what, sit in your cave and not be offended?

Dawndonnaagain · 08/03/2014 20:47

You're missing the point, it's about intent.

I like them as icons, when I was a child I had no idea about the history. I do now but I still like them as icons whilst remaining utterly bewildered and repulsed by people who see other human beings according to their skin colour. Never understood it myself.
Why not? Do you have a disability regarding processing?

Meepers · 08/03/2014 20:47

Major would you post pictures of them on an online account knowing full well what they represent to many?

Would you actively go out and buy one now?

Joysmum · 08/03/2014 20:51

Dawn

I don't, but you clearly do.

I can't begin to have any degree of understanding as to why people see colour of skin as important. They do so because they are lacking in themselves and that's something not one of my own shortcomings. I'm perfectly comfortable being me, and I'm more than happy to judge people based on their behaviour and who they are, rather than any other criteria.

Dawndonnaagain · 08/03/2014 20:55

I too am perfectly comfortable being me, however, the logical fallacy of personal incredulity does not in any way lessen the original argument, Joysmum.

gordyslovesheep · 08/03/2014 20:56

or maybe skin colour is important because to many people it's part of their identity - jesus are we back in the 1970's with a great big melting pot now ???

CountessOfRule · 08/03/2014 21:00

Certain amount of white privilege on this thread.

Dawndonnaagain · 08/03/2014 21:00

lol Gordy!

DonnaDishwater · 08/03/2014 21:05

I'd rather buy a baby a golliwog than one of those awful "Bratz" dolls.

gordyslovesheep · 08/03/2014 21:06

wow I want one of those new aps that let you see the ethnicity of the people posting Grin

Dawndonnaagain · 08/03/2014 21:06

ODFO DonnaDishwater

RabbitPies · 08/03/2014 21:14

If stereotypical images,grotesque caricatures and offensive names ate so harmless than why do politicians,racist groups and dictators utilise them if they have no effect? Why did the Nazis bother designing so much anti -Jewish propaganda depicting them as less than human? Why did the TLM anti Tutsi radio station refer to Tutsis as cockroaches?

Because they knew that if you depict people as 'other' as less than human that it becomes much easier for people to see them as undeserving of life,as a pest,a plague, and therefore makes it easier for them to accept them being discriminated against,harmed and even killed.

Episode · 08/03/2014 21:16

Being black doesn't automatically make you aware of black issues. I'm actively try and educate myself on black history and the effects it has on modern day society, which surfaces in politics, economics, multiple socials issues etc, but heck I still know next to nothing.

Gollywogs were something that would not have offended me 10 years ago but having learnt more about my history, of course they do now.

Ralph perhaps you should do the same. Your post screams of embarrassment and trying not to be noticed as the black kid in class. Sorry to point it out but that is pretty much impossible.

Everyone body else, take note, one person not being offended does not count as blanket authorisation that something is okay. People for not choose to be offended, they either are or they are not. Listen to people arguments and research their perspective. You don't always have to agree but on this issue, I undemocratically state YOU SHOULD!

Ralph et al it takes seconds to educate yourself. Please just do it.

To me it serves as an embarrassment that people of a different race have taken the time to educate themselves about your history and you haven't. Its all well and good trying to convince yourself that you shouldn't be offended by blatantly racist things because they'll somehow disappear but do you have children? Its terrifying that you think that is an appropriate method to pass on.

History is documented and quite easily proves your theory
wrong. Please use the documentation to yours and your children's advantages. Believe me, they will be missing something (primarily self esteem - which I read in your post) if they don't learn it.

To ralph, genuinely, there is no offence meant here.

RabbitPies · 08/03/2014 21:16

RTLM station in Rwanda sorry.

Dawndonnaagain · 08/03/2014 21:18

Well written, Episode, Thank you.

puddingsforsandy · 08/03/2014 21:22

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namechangesforthehardstuff · 08/03/2014 21:23

Well that about wraps it up Episode - thank you.

RalphLaurenLover · 08/03/2014 21:26

Episode

I am in NO way shape or form embarrassed about the colour of my skin. The colour of my skin is just that. It doesn't define me, it doesn't define my future nor will it ever. I also would of been known of the black kid in school there were two of us in the whole school. Myself and my brother and I wasn't embarrassed.

If you want to educate yourself on black history fair enough it's your choice. I will however not purposely go out of my way to force myself to get offended when I'm not, they're is no convincing myself it's a fact. I don't find it offensive.

Our school you got one hour of black history in 5 years that's it. I've coped just fine as have everyone else that went to my school.

If I was going to get offended of any from this thread it's your comment about me being embarrassed about my skin colour but i'm not

Episode · 08/03/2014 21:28

Dawn are your children of mixed heritage?

If so you serve as an excellent example of open mindedness and not ignoring racism because its uncomfortable for you and I suppose your history. Its clear that your ultimate aim is to educate and protect your children (having read a lot of your posts on multiple threads) and they will appreciate you for this in the future.

Its of equal concern to me that mixed parents and minority parents alike take on that 'race card' badge with no education Sad.

Keep up the good work.