To think that ALL smoking (cigarettes and e-cigs) should be banned in public places?!

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I've been sat in my GP waiting room with my little girl waiting for my appt and in walks a lady puffing away on an e-cig. She hasn't put it away and is just sat smoking it.

AIBU to think this is rude and that, just because it's not an actual cigarette, the same rules should apply, mainly because it's stinking the whole waiting room out!?!

I personally chalk up my years of cocaine addiction to the widespread use of nasal sprays normalising putting things up your nose.

However was I not to grow up a heroin addict with all those spoons and tinfoil in the house?

Seriously though PipkinsPal. I have linked earlier on this thread to lots of research. Studies have been done on ecig take-up in youngsters and have found that almost without exception, kids using ecigs are smokers or ex smokers.

Can I ask how long ecigs have been available?

They've been available in China for 10 years and about 7 here.

Since around 2007 IIRC.

YANBU - they normalise sucking on a nicotine stick again - whether they smell or not is irrelevant - I was glad to see smoking becoming less and less visible, especially around kids.

A ban on lollipops is sure to follow.

at spoons and tinfoil

Clearly there are some new arrivals who haven't RTFT so it's probably worth me posting this again ...

So, I thought I'd put a post together about what's happening in Europe and what we can do about it ...

Where we're at now: Last week, the EU voted in favour of adopting the Tobacco Products Directive, including Article 18a (now renamed Article 20) which concerns ecigs. You can read the full text of Article 20 here. This legislation is likely to come into force in May of this year and member states will have up to 30 months to comply (but they don't have to wait that long!)

• No device on the market today could comply with this legislation except cig-alikes with disposable cartridges - the sort produced by big tobacco and big pharma.

• No e-liquid over 20mg/ml will be legal (18mg/ml in practice to allow for a margin of error) - an estimated one quarter of vapers use liquid above this strength and are likely to return to smoking if they cannot get it.

• The requirement for all new devices to be approved six months before coming to market will kill innovation in the EU. Currently it is usual to see new versions of products released every few weeks.

• The notification regime will be too expensive for small companies to comply with. 98% of the market is made up of SMEs. Meanwhile, big tobacco and pharma will have no problem absorbing the costs.

• Restrictions on sponsorship will mean it becomes very difficult for forums, youtube channels and other sources of information to survive.

What we can do: A European Citizen's Initiative has been launched by European Free Vaping Initiative. 'The European citizens' initiative allows one million EU citizens to participate directly in the development of EU policies, by calling on the European Commission to make a legislative proposal.'

This is not just another petition. Numerous hurdles have already been cleared to set it up and secure the necessary representatives in countries across the EU. The initiative now needs 1 million 'statements of support' (basically signatures) by 25th November and for at least 7 member states to meet their 'quota' - a set number of signatures based on population.

If the required number of signatures is reached, it means that vapers themselves will have the opportunity to present their case to the EU and propose sensible legislation for ecigs to replace article 20 of the TPD.

Who should sign:

• vapers
• smokers, because you might want to try switching one day
• friends and family of vapers
• friends and family of smokers
• people who don't like being around smokers or who worry about SHS
• people who care about harm reduction and saving lives

How to sign:

• Go here - www.efvi.eu/
• Scroll down to the big green rectangle and click it
• Fill in your info on the EU site

You will be asked to provide your full name, address and DOB. This is because this is not just another petition, it's an official EU process - they need to check you are a genuine EU citizen.

Please also ask your families, friends, colleagues etc. to sign and share on FB, Twitter or whatever else you do online.

Seriously though Plentyof if you wouldn't smoke a real cigarette in places you shouldn't then the same applies to e-cigarettes. They haven't been around long enough to know whether young children today will start smoking in the future. Also what the long term health implications whether there will be or not for the e-cigarette user. Remember it was good for your health to smoke years ago. It's catching up with the vast majority now.

I did get a little bit of hard skin from pressing the button when I first started vaping.

This thread is making me angry. Those of you that object to ecigs, do you drink alcohol in public? Like in a restaurant or pub, in front of children? FFS.

Or have a coffee machine at home?

Unless you drink de-caff.

I dropped my MVP on my toe the other day Ledare There should be a warning on it not to vape barefoot (there probably is in Canada)

Yes Corus, I'm all for sensible regulations and testing regimes.

PipkinsPal. we stopped smoking in enclosed spaces because of passive smoking. If you can work out how that can apply to e-cigs then you may have a point.

The idea that we should avoid doing something in public that we believe to be safe, but might turn out one day not to be is just ridiculous.

You do realise that wearing perfume could encourage other people to wear perfume. It normalises it and vulnerable people may consider that it's acceptable to wearing perfume.

You do realise that wearing perfume could encourage other people to wear perfume. It normalises it and vulnerable people may consider that it's acceptable to wearing perfume

It's not the same. The vapours were designed to help give up smoking after being addicted to nicotine. They don't address the nicotine addiction or hand to mouth habit. - which is fine as some people don't ant to give up but it's a better alternative. BUT the way they are marketed, do appeal to younger people. Fruit and sweet flavours target the younger crowd and the newer vapesticks do look good.

I thought you said you'd quit this thread for good Cigarettes?

So what flavours should the older crowd go for? Fruit and sweet flavours haven't been developed to speak to the younger crowd, they've been developed to appeal full stop.

Welcome back, Cigarettesandsmiroff.

I have a thirteen year old and she sees my Snoop Dogg rainbow battery as desperately uncool. In fact she is more embarrassed about me having a couple of vapes than when I was smoking cigarettes!

I think I would like actual tobacco products to be banned. That would be better.

By your reasoning they should taste shit and look shit.

NHS cost of smoking related diseases 2-5 billion.

Tobacco revenue to the treasury 25 billion.

If everyone stopped smoking and nobody took it up, we'd be fucked.

I am currently vaping a mixture of gruel and sawdust.