To think that ALL smoking (cigarettes and e-cigs) should be banned in public places?!

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I've been sat in my GP waiting room with my little girl waiting for my appt and in walks a lady puffing away on an e-cig. She hasn't put it away and is just sat smoking it.

AIBU to think this is rude and that, just because it's not an actual cigarette, the same rules should apply, mainly because it's stinking the whole waiting room out!?!

Allergic, I read that post as if you had typed it very slowly

Being addicted to nicotine is actually fairly harmless. It's a bit of a bind but it won't kill you or cause any health problems for the vast majority of people.

Using an ecig means that you are not a smoker because there is no combustion and therefore no smoke, with its countless harmful chemicals.

I think it's actually OK to feel a bit 'ick' about other people's addictions (from heroin to coffee) however they are managed, but IMO that should never be allowed to get in the way of harm reduction. The price of saving lots of lives might be that you have to see people vaping.

I don't think vaping is normalising smoking at all - everything I have read, and my own experience of the countless smokers who approach me and ask about my kit and how to get started, indicates that ecigs normalise vaping and provide a valuable gateway out of smoking.

I have been following this thread with interest and can I just say that I think e cigs are brilliant

I had been smoking for years and had tried several times to give up, using patches, gum etc. But I still would have had the odd sneaky cig when having a drink. I was introduced to e cigs 2 months ago and haven't smoked since, even when having a drink. I have even stood outside with friends while they smoke but I'm starting to knock that on the head as the smell of real cigarettes is getting quite unpleasant!

As to the OP, I still wouldn't vape in a situation where I wouldn't have smoked. So YANBU with regards to the person at the Drs

No one has any idea of the long term affects of using e cigs and I will be cutting down the nicotine strength (on 11mg at the moment) gradually and will try to completely stop vaping in about 5 years but in the meantime if vaping is stopping me smoking then I am all for it

As an aside, the tobacconist that I buy my liquid from stated that the £5.99 bottle would cost £160 if the Government decided to tax the same as cigarettes. Not sure where he got that figure from but it does make you think!

Gottle the average price of a pack of 20 cigarettes is £7.98 - of that £6.17 is tax so approximately 77% (figures from the Tobacco Manufacturers association). So though I think your tobacconist may have exaggerated a bit the price would certainly increase to over 4 times what it is now as a minimum.

Thanks for the breakdown Allergic, couldn't be bothered doing the figs, I am a lazy git. But you're right and vaping is still way cheaper then smoking.

What about this changing cigs to 19 a box the lass at sainsburys was telling me.. they're struggling to get some brands delivered apparently.

Anybody know ?

Corus the liquid usually comes in 10ml or 30ml bottles, the new EU legislation will restrict that to 10ml max though there's no restriction on the number of cigarettes someone can buy (sigh). I'll guess the tobacconist was selling 10ml for £5.99 which is a bit expensive compared to many on line traders but they don't have his overheads and probably turn over higher volumes.

A typical ex-smoker who was on 20 a day will vape on average around 20ml a week, so even if the guy was selling 30ml bottles at that price (and if he is where is he!) you're still only talking about 10 days or so worth of liquid.

There's nothing like living in a tolerant society, is there?

I've heard nothing about 19 in a box, gamerchick. The TPD that's going through will phase out packets of 10 though.

So ...

Smokers - buy bigger packets!
Vapers - buy smaller bottles!

This is why they want plain packaging on cigarettes, so they have a bit more space to work out the legislation

They are also banning tobacco pouches below 20g, dh tells me. So rollers will have to buy a massive amount each time. Baccy dries out quite quickly.... You would have to buy the massive pouches more often.

Larger packs have a tendency to encourage people to smoke more as they don't have to cut back until they can get to the shops to replenish.

This is clearly giving a great advantage to Big Tobacco.

Why make it easier to do something which is more harmful and curtail something which is less harmful? Well, as usual, it comes down to money. BT will clearly make more money in sales and Gov will get more tax from it. Win-win for them both.

So glad people are able to see the sheer irony of talk about banning ecigs while the real thing are still sold everywhere

At least there can no longer be any pretence that this is about health issues ...

Allergic, my £5.99 bottles are 20mls and 1 would last me 2-3 weeks

Oh aren't you happy enough that we are no longer able to smoke indoors, therefore get shafted outside in the rain? E-Cigs are not harmful to anyone else. It's like saying that someone shouldn't wear a certain perfume in your presence YABVVVU

Jux That's it isn't it? If i buy a 12.5g box, it will last me maybe two days, but a 50g won't last me the week. Because it's there. They are actually encouraging people to smoke more.

It sounds stupid but you find the same with other stuff, eight pints of milk will go as fast as two pints if that's what you have in, one packet of biscuits will last as long as a tin-full.

And they are phasing out menthol. Well, if I can't get menthol, then why buy legit? May as well buy knockoff cigs at £3 a packet like most other people I know around here.

I'd like to ban coca-cola and others of those vile drinks. They are extremely bad for you, and where sugar has been replaced with aspartame we have no idea of the longterms effects on health. Those drinks encourage obesity, which costs the health service vast sums of money to treat, not to mention social care where people become so obese they can't look after themselves and need help just washing themselves. Some even get DLA and motability scooters and cars. What is the total cost to society of sugar addiction? How dare those people drink that crap? Ban it I say.

leave the pop alone like

and who are 'those people' you speak of

People who drink fizzy drinks obviously!

I always do a double take when i see someone smoking somehwere they shouldn't - then see it's an e-cig and have to remind myself they are harmless

I think they are fab - anything to get people off the dreaded fags is ace - wish they had been around when i gave up.

gamerchick, you weren't taking me seriously, were you? Please say no!

yes.. not now though thank christ.. i'll roll me sleeves up at getting rid of pop

Not that I've ever smelt an e-cigarette but it is the action of putting a device to your mouth and sucking or blowing or whatever they do with it is the issue. It is showing young people that it is ok to do this and ultimately could push them to try real cigarettes when they are older. I saw a Dad in a school playground smoking one and thought it was really inappropriate.