No-one who identifies as "pro-family" thinks it's about protecting abusers. No-one thinks of themselves as evil, unless they have serious self-esteem issues, or they're trying too hard to be cool. But from the outside, that is what happens.
When you start from a point of view that promotes the unit of the "family" above all, and identify yourself with that, you will not see the needs of the individuals within. The needs of children are sadly often not the same as what the family needs to stay together or cohesive.
Ever heard someone speak about the "dissolution of the family" or something? Did you ask yourself what kind of good, loving family would be dissolved by modern life? Modern life allows people to escape from families which don't work, to put it in euphemistic terms.
Oh, and I have a much greater chance of encountering someone who thinks that parents are entitled to force their child to get married against their will amongst people who identify as "pro-family" than as "children's rights" activists.
Your posts on this thread are extremely reminiscent of the American Family Association, to whom I was once stupid enough to give my email address. Over reading those e-mails every week for years, I became very clear how pro-children's rights they are...
I don't discount any person's ability to take part in a philosophical discussion based on their past experiences.
Yes you did. And it's attitudes like yours, which silence adults throughout their lives, thus allowing fundamentalists to claim that child abuse is new and due to modern lifestyles. Rather than recognising that the modern world is slowly evolving to condemn abusive parents who think they have rights, rather than responsibilities.
Marfisa's posts very clearly indicate that she believes in consent, as do I. You call that "ultra-liberal". She has hardly been trying to press-gang anyone into a 24/7 free-love orgy.
No-one needs to "tell" me that "ultra-liberal" equals anything in particular. I watch people. I note their stated opinions, and how they react to situations. I then record the mis-matches and hypocrisies, and their frequency across a movement on a spreadsheet so large, that it rivals the Earth in size (Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy reference) and divine meaning accordingly.
You should possibly consider a name-change to JacquelineReacher, in honour of the reaching you have done. Marfisa's opinions are because she's lived in the US and France? Marfisa may have lived within the US, but have you not seen the size of it? That's a bloody lazy attitude to the world. "You've been in America, so you must have been brainwashed by the American left". www.ezilon.com/maps/images/northamerica/us06pol.gif
Why would you necessarily assume she'd been anywhere near the Sorbonne? While not on the scale of America, France isn't a tiny Hebridean island. It's about as reasonable as assuming someone who lives in Britain has visited Cambridge... And actually, why do you hate the Sorbonne universities/district? Did it feature in a study on the safest places in Europe to be transgender? Or are you one of those dreadful bores with a complex about attending the "university of life"?
Not insignificantly, I have never left England, and I agree with all her posts in this thread. Perhaps it's my provincialness showing? Do you need to have visited every corner of the UK, but no further, in order to see the light?