In assuming most men going on holiday alone to Thailand, are going to have sex with prostituted women or men?

[Grennie]

It is estimated that about 1% of Thailand's GDP is earned through sexual exploitation tourism.

In 2003 (the last year for which full figures are available) some 545,000 British residents arrived on visits. If you remove the children, and the British citizens visiting for business or reasons other than a holiday, you arrive at about 489,000—314,000 men and 175,000 women. That is 139,000 more British men than women coming to Thailand for a holiday—a gap of 28 per cent.

In no other international holiday destination, is there such a big difference in the number of women and men travelling there. There is no obvious reason for this apart from prostitution.

And if you can't be bothered to answer that - I will cut and paste my quotes on here and then your quote on here.

So people can see how you are unable to comprehend what people say.

I'm looking forward to your answer and an apology for saying things about me and my thoughts that aren't true.

You don't need to apologise for that extremely personal attack last night. It just says a lot about you.

I bet most single men who go to Thailand do not go for sex

I bet they do.
sorry Holly I do not have a link or statistics for this personal opinion and life observation.

Come on Chibi

It's not a hard question.

What do I think about the sex industry? Is it a problem?

Like I said - lots of evidence of my views on here. But you said I didn't think it was a problem. Repeatedly.

So eventually - I cracked. You are only the second person on MN I have lost it with.

Can you answer my question or will you apologise?

Nigella

That's not the question. The question was about my views on the sex industry and how awful it is out there.

Because - as I have said on here - I think it's awful. But chibi seems to think I don't think it's an issue.

i find it implausible that a sex industry which is a large and pervasive as the one in thailand is underwritten by the money of just a few men

i think it is unnecessary to establish whether it is 77% of single men who visit thailand or 68% who are invilved in the sex trade

i think it is irrelevant to feminism whether it gets a reputation for man hating, and i think men's feelings are not central to my feminism

i do not think that a statistic about a group necessarily implies or allows an inference about a specific member of the group. if it did, every smoker who doesn't develop lung cancer would invalidate a correlation between smoking and cancer

i will be delighted to apologise if you do as well- that it clearly hasn't occurred to you that telling people to fuck off, twice, and stating that you know it breaks talk regs but you don't care is aggressive and offensive speaks volumes about you.

Holly, you made the first personal attack. I am taken aback that you are now posing as a poor bullied MNer, when you actually started this. Did you think you could make personal attacks on chibi and she would not respond?

you are not in any sort of position to insist on or demand anything from me. that is not how a conversation works. you clearly have not been interested in having one at any point, preferring to slag off posters' numeracy, feminism and generally embarrass yourself, at one point styling yourself as paxman. oh dear.

Holly -- It seems to me on this thread that your main concern was the reputation of men who travel to Thailand, an opinion that you aggressively pursued with demands for figures. I don't think I am the only one who got that impression.

Actually Math - it was nothing to do with defending the reputation of men who go to Thailand alone.

It was challenging the sexist assumption that most lone men who go to Thailand are there for sex.

Sexist assumptions need challenging. Or is it right that people can make statements and not defend them with proof.

Was it ok for Chibi to attack me in the most personal hateful way anyone can attack a transexual?

Was it ok for you and your gang to ignore that most personal attack?

Was it ok for Chibi to completely lie about my thoughts and hatred of the sex industry?

Was it ok for Chibi to tell me to "fuck myself with my own cock"?

And not one person said anything about that. Which is probably one of the most hurtful things you can say to a transwoman.

Just because I got annoyed because I was being deliberately misinterpreted.

Not one bloody person.

Play the ball. Not the person.

With respect HollyMiamiFLA, as the saying goes -

Don't shovel the shit at people if you can't take it when they shovel it back. Attack people and they will attack back sometimes, other times they will just ignore.

It's not sexist to assume that more than 50% of the men who go to Thailand alone, will pay for sex while they are there. It's fucking obvious.

I couldn't give 'proof' or an exact percentage, but I'll bet my bottom dollar it's at least 51 out of every 100 that go there alone.

and the rest highlander - and obviously 'proof' is not available by the nature of the question!

Well that's why I said at least 51 out of every 100 lone men.

highlander

So that attack was ok. To tell me to "fuck myself with my own cock"?

Would a racist attack be ok?

it was obviously not OK as it was deleted.
you are rather insistent that the majority of single men do not go to Thailand for the sex though, quite oddly so.

Did I say that it was ok?

Now you are the one taking what people say and twisting it for your own agenda.

Personal attacks on mumsnet are not okay. By anyone.

If I were to attack someone on a thread I wouldn't start greeting about it because they decided to attack me back. I'd expect it.

You are rather insistent that the majority of single men do not go to Thailand for the sex though, quite oddly so.

I agree NigellasDealer.

That's my opinion.

You disagree. That's AIBU for you. No one criticised Chibi for an incredibly personal attack.

Chibi said several times that I did not think the sex industry was a problem. She kept misrepresenting me. I have said constantly that it's a problem.

So I snapped. Her childish attacks were winding me up.

You and others said nothing about the worst possible way you can insult a transexual. Nothing.

So that's why I can't be bothered with MN anymore. It's full of bullies and gangs who misinterpret stuff and then do highly personal attacks. It's not a safe place anymore.

we cannot see her attack because it was deleted, rightly so, so there is not point in going on about it.

So STFU ? A good way to silence people. How about "calm down, dear"

It was there long enough for people to read. But ignored by people.

You're repeating yourself over and over.

Chibi said several times that I did not think the sex industry was a problem. She kept misrepresenting me. I have said constantly that it's a problem.

I've read the thread, I know what you said, you know what you said, Chibi knows what you said. You snapped, she snapped back. No one criticized Chibi for her attack, no one criticized you for attacking her either.

I didn't see what she wrote, it got deleted. Only when you start greeting about her attacking you in retaliation and no one sticking up for you did I know what was said.

Attack someone and they will probably attack back that's AIBU for you as well.

Can't take the heat? Get out of the kitchen.

Don't give out what you can't take back.

Don't greet at everyone for not jumping to your defence. You seem perfectly capable of saying what you want to say, as I've seen on numerous threads these past few days.

There is a difference between "fuck off" and what she said.

But I'm only a transwoman so it's ok to make the most personal horrible attack you can on someone. Someone who hates her body.

But hey. My feelings don't matter.