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AIBU to be so cross with PIL over DD

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iamsoannoyed · 06/02/2014 21:01

Well, I don't think I am being unreasonable to be annoyed but I would also like some perspective, as I am getting more and more annoyed over this. Very long, so apologies.

My DHs parents are very religious (FIL is a vicar). DH is not, although obviously was brought up in a religious household. He has not attended church regularly since he left home to go to university. In fact, I think the last time he went was when we stayed with them for christmas a few years ago. I am definitely not religious.

DH and I got married in a civil ceremony, although FIL gave a blessing afterwards as it meant a lot to him (and DH to have his dad do it)- which was nice. They were a little bit upset we chose not to have a religious ceremony, but it would have felt utterly hypocritical saying religious vows in church when I don't believe in any of it.

However, now PIL (well mostly MIL) are kicking up a fuss because we aren't getting our DD (their first GC) christened. DH and I spoke about it before she was born, and he isn't really bothered either way and I am against the whole idea, so we decided against it.

We hadn't discussed this with anyone else, as it really hadn't occurred to us that we would have to justify this decision.

Anyway, MIL told me a few days ago that they had "spoken to" BIL/SIL and they would be delighted to be god-parents and she was thinking the christening could be in the next few weeks- there were 2 free spaces at FIL church and which did we want? I was Shock because I can't believe she thought it was up to her/them to decide our DD is getting christened, never mind organising said event without being asked to. Also, she has no business deciding who would be godparents, far less asking BIL and SIL to do it on our behalf.

I was pissed off, but I thought that she (mostly) meant well, was probably just a bit over excited and got ahead of herself (as she did after DD was born). I think she assumed that because religion is so important to her and because DH was christened, we would have DD christened too.

I tried to explain that DH and I had discussed it and decided against it. MIL got very upset and said it was selfish to deny our DD a welcoming to the community of the church, how could we exclude them from this etc etc. I told her it was really none of her business and to keep her opinions to herself. I thought that would be the end of it and decided to just ignore the stupidity of what MIL had done, and move on.

But no, we have had SIL (DH's sister) and BIL (DH's brother) on the phone, saying it is very selfish to deny PIL this, as it is really important to them. They are also hurt that godparent request has been revoked (as there is to be no christening).

I explained MIL had organised this and asked them without our knowledge or consent, but I was sorry they were upset re the godparent aspect. I also said that as DH is not religious and I am not religious. Why on earth would I want to stand up in church and pledge to bring my daughter according to the christian faith, when clearly this will not be the case? They still thought it was very unfair on MIL, I left it "we'll just have to agree to disagree".

Anyway, she's been on the phone to DH pleading to him to change his mind. He has said a firm "no", but she has been crying and making him feel terrible. We came up with a compromise- we have heard of other parents who have had civil naming ceremonies and thought that could give everyone the chance to welcome DD in a formal way, and FIL could do a blessing similar to that he did at our wedding so he could be involved.

FIL seemed happy with this, and was really touched to be asked. MIL, however, is still not happy as we are not going to be having a "proper christening" and won't be bring her DGD up in a religious way.

I am getting increasingly angry about this. The final straw was today, when she suggested they do the christening anyway but I "wouldn't have to be there" if I didn't like it.

I am now furious. I admit I lost my temper at the last conversation and told MIL to go take a running jump- there was no way that was happening, and I expected this to be the last conversation we have on the matter and until she could apologise she was to leave me alone and then hung up the phone.

MIL phoned DH, who pointed out she had gone a bit far- not that she was very apologetic to him and still insisted we were being unfair.

AIBU to demand an apology? And to want to minimise contact with MIL until she can accept the way we are choosing to bring up DD- I don't want MIL to ram religion down her throat against our wishes, and feel if she can't respect our wishes then she can only have supervised contact (not such a problem now, as DD is very small).

By the way, FIL has been very reasonable and given he's the vicar, I thought he'd be more upset than MIL.

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pancakesfortea · 06/02/2014 21:28

My PILs are v religious. I know it must be a sadness to them that we had a civil wedding and our children are not christened. But they have never said a word. They respect our choices and we respect theirs.

They've never even asked to take our children to church with them. Whilst I don't want them indoctrinated I actually don't think the odd visit to church would do them any harm, just to know a bit about something that is important to their GPs and to meet some people who ate important to their GPs. But my MIL is sensitive enough to realise that it might be crossing a line.

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Chippednailvarnish · 06/02/2014 21:29

Interestingly my vicar won't christen babies, he will only christen you when you are old enough to decide for yourself...

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youmustbejoking75 · 06/02/2014 21:30

And my own mil a lovely woman is a religious nut. I won't be leaving my kids unsupervised as I dont want her to be spouting things I don't believe and I know she will. There's no discussing it I'll just avoid, remove, make excuses etc . basically be cleverer about it than her. She had her turn to do it her way. Now it's yours.

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Pobblewhohasnotoes · 06/02/2014 21:30

Yanbu! I agree with everyone else who said she may do it behind your back so be careful.

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maddening · 06/02/2014 21:31

mumbais - the mil is suggesting she will go ahead and do it anyway behind the OP's back I would supervise contact if someone was threatening to do something against my wishes.

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BonaDea · 06/02/2014 21:31

Yanbu

Suggest you leave it to FIL to sort out his loony wife. What a weirdo she is!

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ChrisMooseMickey · 06/02/2014 21:31

My Grampy remembers quite vividly being forced into being christened as a young child. He is 62 now and has never forgiven his mother for it. YANBU!!!!!

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Caitlin17 · 06/02/2014 21:31

You have been beyond reasonable. You've gone far further than I'd have done. I wouldn't have entertained a second conversation. The naming ceremony is far more than is required.

Even if you had wanted a christening choosing the godparents is completely unacceptable.

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EthelredOnAGoodDay · 06/02/2014 21:31

She sounds crackers. I bet, like Horatia said above, that she's already told loads of her friends about the christening and now doesn't want to back track.
YANBU OP, absolutely you are not. She had a choice on what to do with her family, this is your choice. Stick to your guns.

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FixItUpChappie · 06/02/2014 21:31

But...... I do think YABU to limit contact and only allow supervised visits. Your DD will come into contact with all kinds of people in her lifetime, with many different opinions on religion, politics etc, and she should be able to make up her own mind based on the information she has available to her. You can't shield her from their influence just because you don't agree with it.

I agree with this. I think banning unsupervised contact is OTT. What really is the worse that will happen. They tell her some things that you can later talk about in a different light. Whatever their religious beliefs they love her and are safe people in her world - that is a precious thing. Its maddening - I'm not minimizing that but its probably not damaging IYSWIM?

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BlackeyedSusan · 06/02/2014 21:34

oh my gosh! she is so overstepping the mark.

what is the point of a christening if you have no intention of bringing her up c of e?

also if she is trying to get you to be christians, she is going about it the wrong way and pushing you away.

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CouthyMow · 06/02/2014 21:34

The worst that could happen is the MIL having a Christening for the OP's DD without the OP's knowledge or presence...

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WaitingForMe · 06/02/2014 21:35

I'm not sure this is just about religious beliefs though FixIt. The MIL sounds a little unhinged and might benefit from a brief period of no contact to hopefully highlight how unreasonable she has been.

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mindthegap01 · 06/02/2014 21:35

YADNBU and I am enraged on your behalf.

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pictish · 06/02/2014 21:35

We're atheists too and certainly none of our kids have been christened/baptised so I can totally understand how you feel about this. I feel exactly the same.

However, I think it is abundantly clear that your mil holds this up as being of great import. To her, having the christening without your involvement is some way to reaching a compromise.

I don't think telling her to take a running jump is the answer. I think staying calm and reiterating your point until she gives up is the way to go.
She is not doing this out of malice...she actually thinks it matters. A lot.
Ok - we know it doesn't...but her passion over this is born of care I'm sure.
Try not to be rude or get angry with her. Just keep saying no.

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HoratiaDrelincourt · 06/02/2014 21:37

I don't think she would actually secretly do it, because I don't get from the OP that it's about the baby's spiritual well-being, but the "show". It's about being shown off introduced to the church community, not to God (for her, that is). She is threatening to do it secretly merely to demonstrate her power over everyone. Non-existent, if only she knew.

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PrincessChick · 06/02/2014 21:38

YADNBU. How very disrespectful to you and your DH! I would be careful about leaving DD with them. And I would (personally) not want to see them until she has backed down and apologised. But that's me! And if she questioned this, I would just explain that I was unhappy with the way they completely disregarded your feelings and wishes with regards the christening issue. She's had her chance to be a mum and it's not her place to christen your child! Perhaps to be diplomatic you could say that if DD chooses to be christened and enter into the faith when she's older that's up to her to decide.

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youmustbejoking75 · 06/02/2014 21:40

To mumissapphire......dd is a child. Adults get to choose for their children how they raise them. Not grandparents. Dds parents have the responsibility of choosing whether or not to bring her up in a religious faith and yes when she is much older she can make her own choices based on what they have given her.
if they had a drug addict sibling would you think dd should be allowed around that? And to choose for herself.....
clearly most of us would choose a nice balanced faith over drug addiction but its not always a nice balanced faith is it now? Religious beliefs and intolerance have caused a lot of wars ovrr the years.and not to mention the abuse scandals, thw power plays the utter disregard for people's right to be different and yet be respected. I am not at all convinced that a young child should be exposed to religious teaching that their parents don't believe or agree with. A lot of religious groups certainly wouldn't extend that courtesy to a different faith.

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mumbaisapphirebluespruce · 06/02/2014 21:40

Maddening - I know that's what she has suggested, but by the sounds of things the FIL won't agree anyway. I just think that they need to have a detailed conversation, face to face with MIL and FIL and explain their position before any conditions are placed on their contact with their DGD. If after this conversation the MIL can't see the error of her ways and seems likely to whisk the child away to the nearest font, then absolutely the conditions need to be laid down. As far as I can tell though from the OP she is at the stage where she is wondering how to proceed, and so my advice would be to have a conversation with all parties present first, and then decide from there what needs to be done. I think the FIL is the key here as others have said.

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WingDefence · 06/02/2014 21:40

I'm a Christian too and YADNBU. How odd - as the vicar's wife she'd know that the parents and godparents have to stand up and say certain things that they need to believe in re: bringing the child up in the faith, renouncing the devil and turning to Christ etc.

How can she think you and your DH would do that without being hypocritical/lying? And she thinks that'd be a good thing in a church?! Shock

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pictish · 06/02/2014 21:42

I don't think she was threatening to do it secretly was she? She was suggesting that they arrange to have it, and OP just not go.

I know it seems like the mil is being grossly inappropriate...and in fact she bloody well IS...but she probably fears for her gc not having it done. Daft, but real to her.

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starfishmummy · 06/02/2014 21:43

Yanbu.
I would not be having a naming ceremony and "blessing" from fill.either just in case mil tryies to hijack it.

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Pigsmummy · 06/02/2014 21:46

YABNU to be horrified by her completely overstepping boundaries, however you have married a vicars son. His parents wanting DGC to be christened surely hasn't been a big shock?

Go with the naming ceremony and get FIL (who sounds lovely) to do the blessing.

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youmustbejoking75 · 06/02/2014 21:46

I must be very negative indeed. People who threaten to purposely go against a parents wishes are not safe people in my world. If mil was threatening to baptise a jew or a muslim would it be thought so harmless.... I doubt it.

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youmustbejoking75 · 06/02/2014 21:48

And I really find it odd that the op could be considered in any way to be ott. Only one person here is ott. The. Mil.

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