to hope this bullying, lying scumbag of a Policeman is sacked?

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Appalling behaviour from a crooked little Hitler in uniform. If he makes a cack-handed and arrogant attempt to frame someone whilst being filmed, it makes you wonder what he's done when he hasn't got a camera turned on him.

I don't know what force you're in vicar

I am a middle class, middle aged white woman in a very nice area of London.

And yet I have a very dim view of the Met because of things that have happened and are still the subject of current court cases.

When someone posts a video of the a Greater Manchester police officer appearing to behave very badly I'm sorry, but I'm going to take the same view.

Especially when this came out today

If a copper thinks he can get away with framing a minister of state, how far will others go?

wow.

did you also see the man say very clearly at least 4 times that he had NOT had a drink?

interested in knowing your angle. police? family of the officer in question?

am also interested in knowing how you know he had been seen in his car that morning when he actually stayed overnight in the area the night before and hadn't driven that morning?

Surely there is no contradiction between:

I believe that most policemen are not lying, bullying scumbags

and

If it turns out that these particular policemen have committed the offences suggested and put together a false report then that would make them lying, bullying scumbags

There is no contradiction to me in thinking most doctors do a wonderful job that we should be deeply grateful for, and simultaneously thinking that Roy Meadowes and Marietta Higgs did their best to bring the profession into disrepute. It doesn't mean I can't still appreciate my sensible and hard-working GP. But otoh all his hard work over the years does nothing to mitigate the fact that they behaved unacceptably.

The hard work put in by my local vicar makes me neither more nor less willing to believe in abusive behaviour by priests elsewhere. He's not them, they're not him.

Lol, not at all. No angle - I just think its very likely he either misheard the word tea for two or misunderstood something else.

If the man did smell noticeably of alcohol then you'd sort of expect him to answer yes - I'm not saying that he did, of course!

What a scumbag. He's a disgrace to the force and has dragged his colleagues into the gutter. The good within the police force do not deserve this. I hope he gets thrown out.

Man being a nuisance by filming/getting in the way

Move along. Nothing to see here.

Youarebeingasillybilly - I didn't say I 'knew' that! I said that was my interprets of events and that's how I read it.

Obviously they could all be lying scum but based in that video they looked frazzled and fed up to me.

Man being a nuisance by filming/getting in the way

Move along. Nothing to see here.

I feel so strongly about it that I posted twice

Like the time a police officer tried to stop me going about my business by telling me it was a criminal offence to stand at the bottom of a tree minding the equipment while my photographer climbed it.

Sometimes you couldn't make it up. But sometimes they do.

Have to say that I have also had extremely negative experience of the police in my capacity as
A, psychiatric nurse
B, social worker
C a mother if teenage sons
D a protester
E the wife of a copper.
Not helped by the fact that the IPCC seem to be extremely biased.
The problem of public mistrust and hatred of the police is a dangerous factor in the working life of ALL policemen and women.

"Man is known to be a 'character' - they know him & his car, and know he's been in it that morning even if he isn't in it just now."

In that case what crime is he committing, even assuming he had been drinking? I wasn't aware of any law that said you cannot drink alcohol within a certain time set after you had been driving? If he is not near a car or trying to get into a car, how can they possibly have a reasonable suspicion that he intends to commit a crime that requires breathalysing?

(I was thinking of having a drink. Does that mean police could knock on my door and breathalyse me, just on the off chance that I'm planning to drive off somewhere?)

No but if (if ) they had seen him driving that would be a crime, surely?

It's like vicar said, she arrested somebody who wasn't in the car at the time?

Why had that policeman covered up his number? It suggests to me that he was looking for trouble.

If they had seen him driving immediately before and kept him under close surveillance all the time to make sure he had not had the opportunity of imbibing after he got to the demonstration site, yes.

Which was the vicar's situation: she arrested someone within a few minutes of the car being dumped.

What they actually claimed (whether truthfully or not) was that he had been seen driving that morning. Not "you've just got out of that car".

and vicar arrested somebody because a crime had very clearly been committed- I'd say that makes all the difference

Why had the officer covered up his number?

Oops

"No but if (if wink) they had seen him driving that would be a crime, surely?"

driving at 10am and being stopped at 11am with alcohol in your system is neither a crime nor proof of a crime.

I find it disturbing that anyone on here (even other police officers) could defend this man's behaviour. He behaved atrociously and is beyond thick thinking he could get away with this when it is all on film.

But then sadly time and time again the police show they are above the law so arses like this think they can do what they like and actually they can because there is rarely any recrimination.

What really damages people's confidence in the police is not the odd bad police officer. It is the fact that these bad officers seem to get away with their awful behaviour. They close ranks.

Like the poster up thread said, I'm a middle aged, middle class, white woman, but even I have had more than enough nasty encounters to give me a very jaundiced view of the police force.

I watched Police Interceptors the other night and the police went to a house as a taxi driver had reported a car driving very badly/possibly drunk driver. Taxi driver had got the reg.

When police got there the woman owner was drunk but stated that it had been over an hour since she'd driven and that she'd drunk a lot since getting home. She had a drink in her hand when she opened the door. She blew positive and was arrested. The copper said the car engine felt warm but not hot.

I did wonder how they'd be able to prove that she'd been over the limit when driving the car???

I think it is shocking and wonder how much of this sort of behaviour by the police goes on unchecked.

DS1(19) was in town with his mates just before Christmas. It was around 3am, they had been drinking but none were drunk. They were all sat on a wall outside a petrol station where they had just bought sandwiches. 2 policemen came along and told them to move, DS1 said "we're just eating our food then we're getting a taxi home". The police threatened to take them all in for being drunk and disorderly if they didn't go!

They did go, because none of them wanted trouble but they weren't doing anything wrong.

Flank exactly :)

Please don't turn this into a bashing thread where there are 'sides' and if you stand in the middle you get trampled.

We are better than that [mumsnetter smug face!], whatever our opinions it doesn't have to turn on one person who wasn't even there.

I've seen it happen on other threads and I don't want any member of the police on here to feel personally attacked or discredited just cos they are police rather than anything they've personally done/ not done.

Have now watched the film i will now indulge in my speculation in another post! Trying to keep it fair and specific though :)

yes moomin bad apples happen in every job but in the police force it seems rare that those in charge deal with it in a clear cut way that sends the message that they absolutely will not tolerate it...until there is some huge undercover operation that shames them intoscapegoating firing loads of people and issuing a statement.