to hope this bullying, lying scumbag of a Policeman is sacked?

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Appalling behaviour from a crooked little Hitler in uniform. If he makes a cack-handed and arrogant attempt to frame someone whilst being filmed, it makes you wonder what he's done when he hasn't got a camera turned on him.

" its enough to suspect - to arrest you only have to have suspicion.
then you obtain evidence by questioning etc. only when you have all the evidence can the decision be made whether to charge, bail for further enquiries or release without further action. "

from watching that video do you believe the police officer had genuine suspicion that peers had been drink driving?

and also, if a breathalyser had shown alcohol in his system- how does that prove he was drink driving? all it proves was at the time of breathalyser he had alcohol in his system. it doesn't say when he had it or how he got to where he was detained.

limitedperiodonly

Completely agree.

Vicar, the full story is on the tape you watched. I don't blame you for wanting to stick up for colleagues - I'm an ex serviceman and I would do the same with one exception.

I recognise when someone has done something wrong in the line of duty and do not make excuses for them.

That officer is in the wrong.

"everyone has the right to peaceful protest and i support that right fully. absolutely 100%. so why not just be honest about why you are there in the first place."

because not all police officers do fully support the right to protest and you cant tell by looking so when asked you give the answer that's likely to be safest for you.

" "and again - there is absolutely nothing wrong in being part of hte protest either - thats not what i mean - everyone has the right to peaceful protest and i support that right fully. absolutely 100%. so why not just be honest about why you are there in the first place....who goes just to film for no reason?"

I can imagine lots of reasons for that, actually. Dreams of journalism, interest in current affairs, all sorts. People do film a lot, these days, it's a modern thing."

And in case a police officer decides the way to deal with an impartial observer is to try and arrest them whilst lying about evidence?
I'd say having a camera these days is a good idea.

what im saying - and what me particularly good at my job is that A) i take nothing at face value anymore and B) im not going to defend either party because i wasnt there....

the irony is that while everyone is jumping up and down and making assumptions based on a 5 minute snippet of video that someone wants put out they could be missing any number of other things that have not been revealed.

i keep a very open mind. thats a GOOD thing as a cop! im not closed off to the suggestion that he is in the wrong - some cops go into public order because they like a ruck.....SOME do. so do SOME of the public!

for the record - i am 100% in favour of peaceful protest

i keep a 100% open mind until i know all the facts
if i didnt id be a shit cop because id have made my mind up already.....without knowing the full facts and without the evidence.

does no one see the irony here? if i were of the same mind as the majority here then it would be a very bad thing! the fact i remain open minded is a must! its not just a case of who shouts loudest, gets most publicity or the way things look - if cops worked on the ways things looked can you imagine the miscarriages that would happen? have happened?

I must be odd as it looked fairly standard to me. No one shouting or physical or aggressive. The policeman said he could smell alcohol on the mans breath and the man refused a breath test, if he had been drinking then he shouldn't have been driving?

I'm just not seeing what everybody else saw?

roro you didn't see the man getting pushed over or the policeman lying to his colleagues then? you didn't see his colleague then lying about peers having been seen driving that morning?

My father once said years ago that most policemen join the force because they want to intimidate and beat people up. I was very sceptical of this for years. I, now at this age absolutely agree with him.

how on earth would your father know voyage does he know most police officers?

I no longer trust the police. If they can fit up a government minster then they can do what they like to me and my family.

I think that a very significant minority believe that they are above the law and can do what the hell they like.

really voyage ?

im 5ft3. slightly built. a leftie. im on a response group. ive never ever intimidated anyone or hit a soul.

i on the other hand have been threatened with blades, knifes, a fork, a host of garden equipment, ive been physically pushed, spat at, sworn at, and dealt with some of the most horrendous things imaginable.

yet i climb back into the uniform and do it all again because my motivation was to HELP people! and actually, i do a bloody good job of it.

but there is no use in trying to explain further on a thread that is going to go one way and one way only.

i keep an open mind. its essential.
its a shame that more people dont or cant.

I do see what you're saying, Vicar, about keeping an open mind.

At the same time you seem to be suggesting that perfectly normal things that any one of us might do- like taking a camera to a local event- carry something vaguely suspicious about them. As a law abiding citizen that doesn't inspire me with a lot of confidence.

That is when I seem to hear the voice of the police officer from years ago, pleading with me to identify a suspect I had repeatedly told him I had not been in a position to see, "oh, but it is him, he's been to jail before". It is a hint of the same "oh, but we already know that x is not trustworthy so therefore he must have committed this offence too".

It's not keeping an open mind; that's precisely what worries me about it.

Vicar, the police officer in an aggressive manner starts going on and on about "have you been drinking" over and over again interspersed with "where's your car, you've been seen driving".

The man says "no I've not" to the drinking accusations and also says he hasn't driven.

Then when some other officers are there the officer says "you just said you've had two drinks"

He'd said nothing of the sort.

obviously some of the other posters on this thread are completely OTT

sorry, not you Beaver

Sorry I haven't watched the film yet but just wanted to say please don't jump on VicarInATutu as her last post showed very sound judgement indeed.

I had an experience last year which made me totally reassess the emergency services (police and fire), I suspect alot of people go into the police for the adrenalin, and some for the ruck, but the ones I met last year just blew me away with their quick thinking, action and professionalism.

It made me realise I did tend to believe the worst, and fear the worst. And I was proved wrong - ok, that was once, but it was enough to make me realise we hear the bad and it sinks in alot more than the good.

Ahem, and one was Very hot :)

My first thought when I watched the video was that when the man said "I've had tea" it could have been misheard as "I've had two" i.e. two drinks.

I watched this earlier today and was appalled. It looked to me like the WPC present at the start of the film felt uncomfortable with what was unfolding hence the original officer calling over other colleagues who hadn't been there to see the original complaint i.e. put the camera down. It was interesting to see the accusations develop from "have you had a drink" and "did you arrive in a vehicle" to "you have had two drinks" and "you were observed driving this morning". Very worrying indeed

Slight veer of topic and not aimed at anyone in particular but I have seen threads like these end up turning into a somewhat traumatic experience for those on the force who turn up to give insight. I really hope this one doesn't.

X post with Miscellaneous, glad I wasn't the only one who had that thought

limited how funny, I showed dd that clip a couple of hours ago. We were talking about something at dinner, can't even remember what it was now, and it reminded me of 'constable Savage' so I subjected her to Youtube to show her why I was laughing. I do like to educate her on 'proper' comedy .

I didn't see the man being pushed over.

However, I'm not sure about the lying. There was a lot going on at the time and I can't see the policeman lying deliberately on tape! I think he just got muddled. Or misheard "tea" for "two" as the man did have quite a nasal voice.

If he HADN'T been drinking, why not just take a breath test?

interesting roro. it was all on the tape. maybe turn the volume on your PC up?

How I saw it was this:

Lots going on. Man being a nuisance by filming/getting in the way.
Policeman gets man to move. Man complains policeman assaulted him. Policeman says no, I am moving you to a safe place.
Policeman asks man if he's been drinking, man says he's had tea. Coincides with someone else being an arse. Policeman is confused and misheard.
Man is known to be a 'character' - they know him & his car, and know he's been in it that morning even if he isn't in it just now.
Man exacerbates situation by refusing breath test.

That's what I saw.