to hope this bullying, lying scumbag of a Policeman is sacked?

[ComposHat]

Appalling behaviour from a crooked little Hitler in uniform. If he makes a cack-handed and arrogant attempt to frame someone whilst being filmed, it makes you wonder what he's done when he hasn't got a camera turned on him.

What about the request to put "that" away though, Vicar? Since he was not charged with carrying any offensive weapon, presumably "that" must refer to his camera? Why would the police have the authority to stop the filming of a demonstration?

cory given what you've witnessed of the officer's conduct do you think he acted in an appropriate way?

It isn't telling fibs or trying to get him to move away, it is a deliberate attempt to frame someone for an offence they didn't commit.

would it matter if he was a protester or just there to film it?

Unfortunately protests, how ever peaceful, seem to not be allowed in this country anymore

vicar Oh dear? Is that a joke?

Vicar I understand what you are saying.

Can you comment on the police officer stating that the man had just told him he had had two drinks when there was nothing that sounded like that on the video?

It's a shame that 99% of the police force are great but are sadly let down by the few that are not.

to be fair, Composhat, no I don't. But would still like to wait for the enquiry.

I was also wondering about your statement about whether he was there to protest or film it, Vicar? Could you explain why that would make a difference?

I've seen quite a few videos of police thugs. Makes me wonder if they really are the minority

I agree, Magoria. I wish the police would just admit that some officers' behaviour is disgraceful, deal with it in a proper way and give the public a very clear message that inappropriate behaviour by police officers will not be tolerated.

I've had good and bad experiences with the police, but think we've seen too many cases of the police 'closing ranks' when one of their number goes overboard (Delroy Smellie, Simon Harwood et al). These officers need to be properly held to account to restore public faith in the police.

scary!

i'm in no doubt that this happens far more than we know about. not everyone has a camera on them or the ability to expose it.

Vicar, that police officer definitely lied. He said "you just said you've had two pints". When the man said nothing of the sort and quite clearly several times denied it and said he'd only had tea. The officer several times said that the man had admitted to drinking alcohol.

Also vicar you are police officer.

You are policing an event for public order purposes,which is the main issue.

However, you meet someone on foot who you suspect may have been earlier committing a drink-driving offence. But you didn't stop him in his car.

If he submitted to a breath test and failed for drinking-driving purposes, how would you prove that he was over the limit when driving,or hadn't had a snifter on the picket line?

So what would be the point?

I feel you are part of the problem.

Sorry vicar when I said you, I meant what would you do as an officer on duty?

I'd really like to know.

The cop said he'd admitted to having two drinks. He hadn't, as far as the clip shows. He keeps saying he's just drunk tea.
It was obviously trumped up to get rid of him.

Three months ago at 4pm, with the roads full of cars with kids coming home from school and people finishing work, a marked police car and an unmarked one (red car with 2 officers in uniform in front and back) had a race on a duel carriageway - no lights on, no sirens, they were racing each other - they went around a roundabout 3 times at high speed, sped off up the duel carriageway again and cut up all the cars by going in and out of lanes... At the next roundabout, in a bid to get ahead of the marked car, the red car cut up an elderly driver and my car - 3 kids in it, almost causing a crash and took off without care.
I reported it.
Nothing happened.
3 days later I get a speeding ticket for going 33mph in a 30 zone.

A man hammered on my door at 3am last year, bleeding profusely. I had no idea who he was, I did not open the door but he was hammering the door then the windows and screaming shouting gibberish. I was on my own with my dc's - he was hitting the window so hard I thought it was going to smash. I called the police - they told me and I quote; 'Go back to bed, he'll go away.'
I called an ambulance and only when they arrived did the police because the man told the ambulance chap he had been assaulted.

Two examples of why I never respect the police. I have zero respect for the police. I do not trust the police.

I believe in seeing both sides of the story but are people really defending that police officer? He was so obviously using bullying tactics to try and trip that man up and get him to say something to incriminate himself. He didn't answer any of the man's reasonable questions which were asked in a calm and polite manner, instead he loomed over him and shouted repeatedly in his face, claiming that he had said things that he quite clearly hadn't. All this happened on camera and is therefore fact, regardless of whether or not the man did in fact have a car (I tend to believe he didn't).

Also I don't get it.

I've no particular views on fracking one way or the other.

If I was a police officer whose job was to keep the peace, then that's what I'd do.

What is Kehoe's problem? Unless he relishes a ruck?

he wanted the camera limited he probably saw that peers had been pushed over by the other police officer, or perhaps worried something else had been caught on camera. perhaps once arrested peers' camera would 'get damaged' or the footage 'accidently' deleted.

looked at the footage again

take back my first post

threebats

. Oh my goodness.

wooo lots of questions.

no difference as to whether he was there to film or to protest - and no officer has the authority to tell someone to put the camera away - my view is that if you cant be held up to scrutiny then you are doing something wrong....as i said - anyone can film me doing anything at any time because i have nothing to hide and i go by the book.

at big protests the police often have independent observers filming - but they are independent - neither on one side nor the other. i felt that t he gent while doing nothing wrong in filming, is probably fibbing just a wee bit when he says he is not part of the protest.....and again - there is absolutely nothing wrong in being part of hte protest either - thats not what i mean - everyone has the right to peaceful protest and i support that right fully. absolutely 100%. so why not just be honest about why you are there in the first place....who goes just to film for no reason?

so
point 2 - you dont have to stop someone in their car if you think they were drink driving - i arrested the chap on xmas day 10 mins later. its enough to suspect - to arrest you only have to have suspicion.
then you obtain evidence by questioning etc. only when you have all the evidence can the decision be made whether to charge, bail for further enquiries or release without further action. the decision to charge is not hte arresting officers - it is usually the custody sgts or the CPS.

ive listened to the tape - he doesnt say anything about 2 pints. (or am i going deaf?)

i heard him say he had had 2 drinks.
then he says it was Tea.

on the face of the video i fully admit it looks terrible. i do not, have not and would not handle that the same way - but its easy for me to say that because i wasnt there.

ive policed big events - political summits, BNP demos, etc.

i fully support the right of anyone to peacefully protest. if that officer has done wrong then he should be dealt with appropriately - what im saying is wait to see what the result of the enquiry is - because no one here - not i, not anyone commenting, knows the full story.

that is all im saying. i am 100% fair in all my activities and i am very good as staying impartial - its needed in the role i do.
im not defending the officer, and im not going to condemn him either until the full facts are known - which they wont be.

in most instances, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

in most instances, the truth lies somewhere in the middle

Sometimes it doesn't and it appears that this is one of those times.

Not defending him but I can see 'I had tea' sounding like 'I've had two'. The intimidating behaviour was awful and I've seen it happen personally.

who goes just to film for no reason?
Some people just do. Our local newspaper website always has 'amateur videos' filmed by 'bystanders', usually badly on a mobile phone! People film anything they see going on so that they can post it on Youtube or show their mates. Doesn't mean they have got anything to do with the events themselves.

"and again - there is absolutely nothing wrong in being part of hte protest either - thats not what i mean - everyone has the right to peaceful protest and i support that right fully. absolutely 100%. so why not just be honest about why you are there in the first place....who goes just to film for no reason?"

I can imagine lots of reasons for that, actually. Dreams of journalism, interest in current affairs, all sorts. People do film a lot, these days, it's a modern thing.