to believe, and be heartbroken by Woody Allens step-daughters testimony

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kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/02/01/an-open-letter-from-dylan-farrow/

I read this last night and it just about broke my heart

I believe her, and I am just so saddened by it

How the hell did he not get prosecuted

brave brave girl, and I feel awful as I have watched and enkoyed his films, even knowing of this murky tale in the background

Have abuse victims said it is insulting to them to say that Woody Allen fucking his teenage step-daughter was morally wrong?

Have abuse victims said they are insulted at the fact that woody allen being in a full sexual relationship with his 19yo stepdaughter when he was in his 50s almost certainly indicates a lead time on that relationship ie it didn't spring to life fully formed when she turned 19?

I doubt it.

I find it mind-boggling that people can't see the utter creepy awfulness of what he did.

AskBasil It is clearly an insult to abuse victims to equate a legal relationship between consenting adults with the horrific crime of child abuse - if you can't see that then, to use your own quote you 'need to have a word with yourself'.

It makes no difference for you to use the word 'implying', no one has implied that there is 'nothing whatsoever' wrong with what WA did. Even the author of 'Daily Beast' article defending WA, which so many took exception to, made a point of saying that he doubted if he would ever forgive such a betrayal if put in the same position as Mia Farrow.

The facts remain that the relationship between WA and SY was completely legal, that SY made no claims of coercion or exploitation and that the relationship has survived to the present day.

Oh jesus really?

How dim are you.

So she just woke up one day, aged 19, wiped her sleepy eyes, and realised she was in love with a 50+ year old man, who was her step-father, and the father to her siblings, and seen her in a parental style since age 9, as she had seen him......

Oooh still my beating heart, it's so romantic

Grooooooooooooooomingggggggggggggggggggggg

Hey yeah

I mean come on

How did that not happen.

Like one day she looked at her step-dad, the man who had a part in raising her, and she was conveniently past the age of consent in all states + a year, and suddenly she wanted him...

Lovely story.

young or old

you don't have sex with your step children

you act as a parent to those children or act in a parental fashion

no one would be clouded over this if he wasn't a sleb

I bet Allen must be thanking his lucky stars that Farrow and Previn decided it was best to assume Soon-Yi had been born in 1970, not 1972, and register her accordingly.

Actually, I think I might have the wrong years there. Regardless, bet he's glad they picked the earlier year.

winter no one on this thread is 'equating' what WA did to Soon Yi with what he did to Dylan. What we are all saying is that it indicates a pattern of behaviour and entitled attitude that lends weight to Dylan's statement.

He groomed her sister, Soon Yi, and had a sexual relationship with Soon Yi despite the fact she was a vulnerable teenager and he was her mother's partner and about 40 years older than her.

It is NOT a stretch to think that someone who thinks that is ok would also think it ok for him to abuse his own daughter, Dylan, who he was unhealthily obsessed with.

Tahlulah there's no need to sneer. When I read the link it took me a few seconds to clock that it was the Onion and to realise it wasn't "by woody Allen" as it clearly claimed to be. Ok I'm dim, but I thought others might not realise, especially of they didn't read the whole thing.

I believe her.

And if I was Mia, I would be beyond furious. I find it very strange that her anger at Woddy Allen when it all happened, is used against her.

I believe her too.

Irrelevent, I can assure you I wasn't sneering. I read the article believing it was by him, not being familiar with the journal. I was surprised by the language style and completely baffled by what 'he' was saying about 'his' films because I know he never looks at them after the final edit. He can't bear to, because he is very critical.
In fact I was grateful for your post because it confirmed what I suspected but I wasn't sure. So my post was actually a 'eureka' moment as opposed to a 'god you're all so dim' thing.

bumbleymummy: "I'm not sure why people keep bringing up the relationship with Soon-Yi as some sort of confirmation that he must have been guilty of abusing Dylan."

I assume it's because people enjoy whipping themselves into a frenzy of self-righteousness. For example, it doesn't matter how many times someone writes, "she wasn't his step-daughter" or "she wasn't his adopted daughter", other people will carry on talking about his "step-daughter" or "his adopted daughter" - presumably because that makes it look much worse.

It's possible to find the Soon-Yi thing slightly creepy (I do). But it doesn't make him a paedophile, and it isn't illegal. Soon-Yi is an intelligent, educated woman in her 40s. If, looking back, she thinks she was groomed, I'm sure she could leave.

Oh ok Tuhlulah, sorry.

But as for being heartbroken, OP, how can you be heartbroken?

i get it, but I read her story and it really upset and physically shocked me IFSWIM

I just took it at face value (as one does) was not aware of the back story

if you read her story, not knowing anything of the shit, its really upsetting . so shoot me!

One of her brothers has now said that he does not believe it and that in his opinion the allegations were part of an organised campaign to turn the family against him and exact revenge.

Grennie I find it strange that Mia sides with a confessed rapist. The woman clearly has conflicting values.

I read that she qas sub penoad to appear and that when tweeted said she did not support him. Unlike woody who very openly supported him.

Per Mia Farrow's own admission, WA didn't have any real contact with Soon-Yi until after she was an adult (MF's account varied between age 18 and age 20), and then it was at MF's behest. He wasn't her stepfather, he wasn't a father figure, I don't know that there's any evidence that he "groomed" her. Their relationship may seem icky or unseemly, but I don't think it's evidence that he's a pedophile.

Actually, I think I might have the wrong years there. Regardless, bet he's glad they picked the earlier year.

Soon-Yi's DOB is listed as 1973.

hack mum "
It's possible to find the Soon-Yi thing slightly creepy (I do). But it doesn't make him a paedophile, and it isn't illegal. Soon-Yi is an intelligent, educated woman in her 40s. If, looking back, she thinks she was groomed, I'm sure she could leave."

very true

YANBU

I believe her.

I have to admit I couldn't bring myself to read all of this but REALLY?

Mia Farrow has a brother who is convicted of child molestation.... she remains quiet about it and does not throw out statements about him being unforgivable etc. Why not? If the crime is despicable then it remains so, whoever the perpetrator (and what about her good friend Polanski?).

Dylan/Malone was, at the time, adjudged to have been coached and mentally unstable/inconsistent in the extreme.

The local police/prosecutors made statements that were later deemed to be inflammatory and incredibly damaging to WA.

Soon Yi was NOT brought up with Woody Allen in her life. She had a father (adopted by Andre Previn) and very little contact with her mum's next boyfriend. She was 19/21 when the two met, at Farrow's insistence (according to Farrow).

How? Easy, Farrow always maintained a separate household for herself and her ever growing brood of children. He also had little/nothing to do with Previn's children, they were never part of his family, they were always Previn's. Allen never stayed over - her rules, her choice - she kept her multi-faceted family compartmentalised and separate from her love life.

One of her children (Satchel, as he once was) may be Sinatra's son, according to Farrow. Nice move Mia - yet another married man you had a kid by.... did you stop to consider how his wife/widow must feel, surely Dory Previn was a dreadful warning of the possible consequences of such actions. And what about the man/child himself?

Another son has now cut off contact with Farrow and described his childhood as a period of brainwashing. He has stated very publicly that he is glad to have seen through his mum's tactics and is happy to be able to renew contact with his dad and sister/stepmum.

Now, I don't know what happened. but I wouldn't dream of saying I believed Dylan/Malone without qualifying it: Sadly I believe she believes this to be true. I cannot imagine how she must live inside her head... whatever the truth she has been badly used by one parent or the other.

But yes, condemn the man.... he must be guilty cos no mum would do that to her kids...... would she?????

I believe her.
And I m not at all surprised.

I believe her.

Woody Allen has very little credibility when it comes to the way he conducts relationships.

The only person to blame for that lack of credibility is Woody Allen.

I have to idea what happened. Due to Woody Allen's total lack of credibility, I am inclined to believe Dylan.