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To think this is an obscene amount of money?

113 replies

SenoritaViva · 28/01/2014 16:38

£1,000 for a stag do, and I suspect further costs will be incurred whilst there. 4 days, of which two will be travelling, so this does include flights.

At least it is so out of the realm of possibility for us that DH immediately said no, but nevertheless AIBU or terribly old fashioned to think this is an extreme ask of people, or is this now the norm?

OP posts:
HesterShaw · 28/01/2014 20:51

YANBU. Fuck that!

Are people not EMBARRASSED to look so like they are desperate to be the centre of attention? Clearly not....

BerylStreep · 28/01/2014 22:10

JoinYourPlayFellows my eyes did water a bit though!

bonvivant · 28/01/2014 22:12

YANBU

IceBeing · 28/01/2014 22:19

I paid for my hen do myself....never occurred to me to charge for attendance...

MidniteScribbler · 28/01/2014 22:50

And then they'll probably request cash for wedding presents to pay for their honeymoon. Tacky.

NoLikeyNoLighty · 29/01/2014 00:10

OP, no YANBU. It's absolutely bloody ridiculous what is expected by some to fork out for stag and hen nights now.
Don't get me wrong, I love hen nights as much as anything, but you're seriously taking the piss if you expect people to pay out for huge train fares/flights/accommodation or whatever for a weekend.
The hen/stag night is supposed to represent a last night of 'freedom' with your mates.
Since when did that translate to spend an absolute fortune, piss off you friends and take up an entire long weekend?!
I had a great hen night in the next big town. Great night out in all the bars, the nightclub, and back home with people crashing back at ours who didn't live near enough to get home cheaply.
Everyone said it was a brilliant night out.
Seriously don't get why you get all this extravagant competitive shite nowadays. Hmm

WallyBantersJunkBox · 29/01/2014 00:24

Not sure it is about money actually.

I am a high earner. To me I'd still equate £1000 in what I could spend for the benefit of my family/myself. Spending £1000 on something where I really wouldn't have much of a say in the planning and where it would be enforced enjoyment at all costs would not be something I'd jump on.

And the holiday leave, especially.

Fancyashandy · 29/01/2014 00:31

Fairly common for some. Husband went to mates birthday bash in Miami. Has another mates bash coming up in Vegas. My friend is having her 40th do in New York (though I'm not going).

SantasLittleMonkeyButler · 29/01/2014 00:44

YANBU, it is an obscene amount of money for a weekend away for 1 person. And there would be spending money to find on top of that too I expect?

I think it's fine to organise these things, if that is what you want. Just don't get upset or offended with anyone who chooses not to join you. Even if people can afford it, I couldn't ask anyone to spend £1000 to celebrate me!

BillyBanter · 29/01/2014 00:45

Options as I see it are:

Whatever your skintest invitee can afford, as already said
Pay for all or part of the proceedings for everyone, with anything they have to pay for themselves affordable for your skintest friend.
Pick something only you can afford and go on your own.
Not have one

Stay local and have something where people can spend as much or as little as they can afford/bits they can opt in or out of. Amount is in their control.
Choose whatever you like that at least one other person/ the important to you people can afford and want to afford, explain clearly that it's entirely optional and don't be offended if people can't come.
Think about what people can 'afford' time wise as well.

SomethingOnce · 29/01/2014 01:02

I'd struggle to justify a grand on four days of my own choosing, never mind some stupid-arse stag or hen nonsense.

RonaldMcDonald · 29/01/2014 01:16

Depend what you earn OP, normal for many

ZillionChocolate · 29/01/2014 08:30

As others have said, the key is consideration of the wishes and budgets of potential participants. I had a one afternoon/evening locally. DH had two weekends away, that was more convenient geographically for those sets of friends.

The two months' salary on an engagement ring is a relatively recent invention by De Beers to increase spending on diamonds.

Gay40 · 29/01/2014 08:39

No matter how much money I had, I would not arrange an event that my friends couldn't afford. It would make me too uncomfortable to think of those conversations they'd have to have at home and the explanation.
In my mind, weddings and the associated pre-wedding crap should be fully funded by the bride and groom or not at all. And none of this impertinent tacky rubbish about asking for cash or vouchers towards the honeymoon. Fuck off. Do what you can afford.
Bearing in mind less than half of the weddings taking place this year will last a decade.
I am not anti-marriage but I am anti-taking the piss.

Floggingmolly · 29/01/2014 09:06

It doesn't matter what you earn, Ronald, it's the expectation that others are happy to waste spend a grand, plus 4 days annual holiday doing something you've decided would be a good idea.
It wouldn't break us; but I'd consider it cheeky to be asked.

Joysmum · 29/01/2014 09:07

I don't think the £1000 option would be the only option. So why not do what you've always wanted to do if you can afford to and have some friends that can too.

I've been on hen do's where it's just been meal and a drink and many have skipped the meal and come for drinks or even skipped most of the drinks too and nursed 1 because they haven't been able to afford much. Perfectly reasonable to me to expect differing levels of wealth within a friendship group.

DontmindifIdo · 29/01/2014 09:19

the idea as well that you should try to work out what others can afford and only base round that is also flawed because it assumes you can second guess what other people can afford.

Before having DCs, I was earning £35k ish a year, after tax/deductions that left me with about £2,200 a month, my share of bills came to £1k a month, rail card was under £200 and so I had £1k of money just for myself each month (ah, the days of drinking in Belgravia and ordering ludicously expensive G&Ts without thinking about it). I could easily afforded a posh holiday like that, I would also expect other friends living in similar sized properties doing similar jobs to equally be able to afford a holiday that's round £1k. (whether they'd want to go, or could get the time off, would be a different issue). We did do group holidays (although not hen ones) that where in the £2k each mark and thought nothing of it.

But if you have a family to keep from double that wage, you could be left with only a few hundred pounds a month left over for both adults to have as their personal spending money, and holiday leave is precious family time.

I hadn't thought about just how expensive childcare and family costs were until I had DCs, and I hadn't thought how cheaply some people who bought their houses 10 years before we did could live. It's not enough to try to guess what people can afford based purely off their job. BIL is on around £100k a year, however they've just bought a house that's about the same size as ours but cost them £200k more because they bought later than us, SIL is a SAHM, they moved in from a furnished flat and so had to buy all their furniture recently (and are paying that back) and SIL has family who have been in financial trouble that I know they are helping out. On the face of it, BIL and SIL should be far richer than we are, but I think they actually are going to be struggling for the next few years.

On the other hand, DH and BIL's cousin is earning just over NMW but she has no DCs and lives at home with her parents who take no money off her for rent or food, so she actually has more spending money and regular holidays than her "rich" cousins. (I was most jealous of her 4 weeks on a Greek island in the summer) I can quite easily see if she got married she'd arrange a big hen do and be surprised that others couldn't afford it. She dosn't get how much life costs.

Fleta · 29/01/2014 09:21

Actually I don't agree.

I think it is perfectly legitimate for someone to plan just the type of hen/stag they want. If they issue the invitation and make it clear that they won't be annoyed if people don't come then all the better.

As to "being dictated to" - just say no people. It isn't an order, it is an invitation.

Can't see the bother

ProfPlumSpeaking · 29/01/2014 09:21

It's the moral pressure though, isn't it? The hen do could be at a place you would never have chosen, doing things you would not choose to do, but you go because you know that the Bride to Be would be upset if you didn't. It adds insult to injury if it is also wildly expensive.

angelos02 · 29/01/2014 09:29

I think its pretty tragic to have a hen/stag do if you are over a certain age. Get.A.Grip. I didn't have a hen do as I was 35 when I got married.

Kendodd · 29/01/2014 09:31

Fine if some friends can afford it, why don't you all have a weekend away together.

With a stag/hen do you would think you'd want all the people you love most to be able to come so I think you should make it accessible to them. I would hate to have a hen do that some of my very best friends couldn't afford to go to even if it was in the best place in the world.

Kendodd · 29/01/2014 09:33

For me it would be about who's there, not where we are.

Chelvis · 29/01/2014 09:36

It's not so much the amount of money - although £1k on a stag do is far far over our budget! - but the pressure you get put under to go on these things. If people organising hen/stag parties accepted that it's over your budget, that would be fine, but every time I've declined, I've been put under pressure.

I was discussing it with my sister recently and she felt the same - she's currently being pressured into a £300 hen do abroad, followed by the wedding abroad, which is another £600, not including food/drink/activities money. Plus 10 days of her holiday allowance. Even explaining to her friend that her company are consulting on redundancies hasn't stopped the pressure - the friend said 'well, you'll have some redundancy money to spend on it then'!

Junebugjr · 29/01/2014 09:52

DH has been all over the world celebrating other people's bloody stags.
A grand on a stag do is just taking the piss, whether you can afford it or not. We had a spate of weddings a while back, most of which were weekends away on do's, and then a big wedding far away from where we all lived, involving hours of travel, expense with hotels, not to mention childcare.
As they were all in the same year, people started declining to go to the do's and weddings in the end, as it felt like the couples were making it as hard and expensive as possible for people to go.
And don't get me started on the requests for more money so the bride doesn't have to pay for anything on her hen do.

AnAdventureInCakeAndWine · 29/01/2014 10:14

"an engagement ring in the olden days used to cost 2 months wages"

No, it didn't. Back when I got engaged (16 years or so ago) people only ever referred to one month's salary -- and that was a bogus tradition invented by De Beers in the 1930s anyway. The "2 months' wages" thing has only crept in over the last 10-15 years, which is hardly olden days.