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Re DH's friends wedding

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Juno77 · 26/01/2014 17:42

DH friend is getting married later in the year. DH is the best man. I am due to give birth 6 weeks prior to the wedding.

DH is going away on stag weekend (abroad) when child is 3 weeks old. I don't mind this, but it is a factor in my current annoyance.

Wedding is in a really fancy hotel, about 50 miles from where we live. We aren't planning to bring the children anyway.

We were planning to stay 2 nights in fancy hotel, as DH has plans with the groom and other friends the day/evening before. I was happily going to relax in the hotel, maybe go to the spa, go for a nice walk, just relax child free. Spend the night together, and wake up on the morning of the wedding and take my time getting ready, relaxing breakfast by myself etc.

DH friend has now told him he's booked them a room for the night before (along with a third friend). So, DH is staying the night before, and I will just have to sort myself out in the morning and make my own way to the hotel, already dressed for the wedding (as check in is too late to get ready there).

I'm pissed off. AIBU? And if so, should I be pissed with DH? Is it really his fault? Should he say no, or should we be more accommodating to the plans of the groom?

For the purposes of not drip feeding;

  1. It's over £200 a night so I don't want to spend that on a room for the night before, by myself.
  2. I'm not friendly with the bride at all
OP posts:
JimmyChooChoo · 28/01/2014 13:53

Thank you another

JimmyChooChoo · 28/01/2014 13:54

You

JanineStHubbins · 28/01/2014 13:54

I didn't say people never judge, nor even that I never judged.

What I disputed was Jimmy's statement that 'everyone' judged Lauren Silverman as an unfit or selfish mother for never being photographed with her son. Really, who gives a toss? Do you really judge random celebrity women for whether they are photographed with their children or not?

Kubrickian · 28/01/2014 13:56

*Kubrick, to mothers practising attachment parenting (to any degree) Bumbley wasn't being stupid. Sometimes if you parent in this way others' choices to bottle feed from birth by choice and have a weekend off are genuinely difficult to understand.as for "aggressive" and "vile" perhaps read your own post again and see who comes across worse.9

I never suggested attachment parenting was stupid - I wouldn't comment on anyones parenting skills. I was saying her opinions were mind-numbingly stupid.

And to repeatedly go after the OP and obviously enjoying every second of it, berating her and trying to make her feel like a bad parent is in my opinion vile and aggressive.

Anyone who is unable to understand the concept that some people parent differently (such as your lovey example of ff) must be some of the most closed minded judgmental people to exist.

The only parents I would judge are the ones who purposely neglect their child or physically abuse it - not a parent who allows loving grandparents to look after their grandchild whilst they attend the wedding of a good friend.

JimmyChooChoo · 28/01/2014 13:57

I didn't say people never judge, nor even that I never judged.

^^
So if you do judge then Janine what right do you have to tell people not to judge the OP? You don't really do you?

lottieandmia · 28/01/2014 14:00

I think it's entirely reasonable to leave a 6 week old with grandparents for a couple of days. How silly to make an issue of that.

The OP is NBU about her dh's behaviour though.

FitzgeraldProtagonist · 28/01/2014 14:02

Have a lovely break OP. I am v jealous :D

Father's never have to account for themselves in this way.

All that criticism. Makes me wonder if the judges aren't secretly being over derfensive because on some level they feel they are being done out of a lovely relaxing break. They can't have one, SO NEITHER SHOULD ANYONE ELSE GODDAMIT Grin

perfectstorm · 28/01/2014 14:02

Can't help but think the childcare martyrs are going to be lost when the child grows up and leaves. It's one thing being a mother, it's another being an obsessive and suffocating..

I was actually trying to think of a tactful and non-accusatory way of saying something last night, which I'll try today - it's hard to voice.

The thing is, parenting style doesn't alter underlying personality type. And one thing I think you really, really need as a parent is a good sense of boundaries. You sort of have to let the boundaries blur a bit with small kids and babies, because let's face it, the demands are so colossal, however you do it, that if you don't see their needs as almost your own and their upset as a huge deal, you won't have the resources emotionally to meet them. But parenting also requires respect for the fact that they are, actually, separate human beings with their own needs and beliefs and feelings, who must make their own way in the world, their own choices, and their own mistakes. And a poorly-boundaried person has enough problems with random people they meet in life making different choices, so they in my rather sad experience struggle to cope when their children do that - "struggle to cope" being euphemistic. A family friend's daughter has bipolar, and she never takes her meds for any sustained time. She had a baby at 20 and by the time he was 14 he was asking his grandparents and social services to arrange a restraining order, she was so catastrophically boundaried. Similarly someone I know has histrionic personality disorder, and while she's managing fine while her baby is small, I do worry a lot about what happens as they grow, because she is very much a "rescuer" who sees herself as a persecuted heroine, and if her son has a girlfriend she dislikes, or votes in a way she disapproves of, or, or, or... it won't end well. She is a drama llama and yet in her mind, she is saving people from themselves, and Lord only knows what degree of intensity will kick in when her child is the target of this missionary zeal to interfere.

Those are deliberately chosen extreme examples; I am not for a moment suggesting anything on this thread comes within a million miles of the problems they have encountered and/or may encounter. That was why I cited them, as I am trying to be diplomatic and not hyper-critical, here. But I am saying that part of parenting well, in my opinion at least, is an understanding that you have to be aware that your deeply loved kids are separate people and you have to sit on your hands more and more as they grow up, and accept they will do things and make choices that at best you disagree with, and at worst you deplore. And they may marry and start families with people whose ideas you find bizarre, or wrong - my MIL is horrified that I vaccinate my children, and still firmly believes babies put to sleep on their backs will choke and that the Back to Sleep initiative is just a dangerous fad which will pass. And if she tried to persuade me of that in the way certain posters on this thread have sought to overbear the OP, I regret to say she would have no contact with her grandchildren if I had to arrange it, because life is too short for that shit.

Boundaries, in my opinion, and the ability to recognise them, matter rather more in the competence or otherwise over the long term of someone's parenting than whether Sue Gerhardt or Gina Ford is your parenting advice source of choice in infancy. And I would gently suggest that there are several rather egregious examples of not even recognising the concept, far less respecting it, visible on this thread.

I just think it might be something worth considering. And in a lot of threads on MN, too - how to wean, how to feed, how to educate, all sorts of things. Boundaries mean respecting difference, don't they? And if you can't do that with a random stranger, how much harder will you find it with your children, when they make choices you can't fathom?

JanineStHubbins · 28/01/2014 14:04

It's the sanctimonious ramming of those judgments down the OP's throat and the sheer nastiness, especially when that wasn't the issue at stake, that I object to, Jimmy.

But hey - you seem to make a habit of deciding women you don't know are 'unfit' or 'selfish' mothers, so don't let this thread stop you.

AmyMumsnet · 28/01/2014 14:07

Thanks for your reports folks, we're going to lock the thread to give us a chance to take a proper look at it.

AmyMumsnet · 28/01/2014 16:13

Hi folks,

We've now unlocked the thread.

We're all for people discussing each other's choices, as that's kind of one of the things MN is for; but we do ask MNers to stick to our Guidelines and not throw mud or insults. We've deleted a few posts that struck us as being just plain mean

BrandNewIggi · 28/01/2014 18:08

As said a couple of posts ago, I have no strong feelings either way but surely to goodness, accusing those mothers who do choose to stay close say for the first few months of being obsessive and suffocating is a little bit extreme, and as bad as accusing those mothers who are comfortable with spending small amounts of time away form teh children of being neglectful and unnatural?

Mineisthefinalword , you sound like a voice of reason and as such you will be ignored!

Mineisthefinalword · 28/01/2014 18:10

I'm used to it Iggi Grin

pictish · 28/01/2014 18:11

I agree with you mine for what it's worth.

Mineisthefinalword · 28/01/2014 18:13

Actually Pictish my current user name is the latest in a LOOOOOONG line so I am more of an old hand than I may appear, and I just wanted to say that your name is well known to me and your agreement is worth a lot...seriously!

Flowers
BrandNewIggi · 28/01/2014 18:16

Should we end the thread on this note then? Grin Thanks

pictish · 28/01/2014 18:17

What a nice thing to say! x

Mineisthefinalword · 28/01/2014 18:17

That would be a very good idea. And then mine really would be the final word (doesn't happen much at home I can tell you that!)

Cake Wine

Mineisthefinalword · 28/01/2014 18:18

Well here's a thing...this thread has now made me feel all warm and fuzzy. Hooda thunk it??

Now I really am out!

JapaneseMargaret · 28/01/2014 18:18

As said a couple of posts ago, I have no strong feelings either way but surely to goodness, accusing those mothers who do choose to stay close say for the first few months of being obsessive and suffocating is a little bit extreme, and as bad as accusing those mothers who are comfortable with spending small amounts of time away form teh children of being neglectful and unnatural?

Thinking either of these things is fine.

Saying either of these things is also fine - you're entitled to your opinion, although depending on how you say it, you may want to brush up on your social skills.

Saying either of these things over and over again, page after page on a thread that does not solicit an opinion on that matter, and long, long after the OP (and others) have requested you stop ... takes it to another dimension. And it becomes thoroughly inappropriate. And you look utterly disengenuous when you start to complain about people requesting that you stop.

Waaa, but I'm entitled to my opinioooooooon!!

But of course, I forget. This is AIBU. Grin Where people have licence to be total cretins. And the OP should know that and expect it.

Lj8893 · 28/01/2014 18:20

I can honestly say hand on heart that I would never judge somebody else's parenting unless i was worried about the child's well being, and/or illegal or abusive activity was present.

So no I wouldn't ever judge somebody for wanting to leave thier child for their gps for a couple of nights, or wanting to bottle feed.
And in the same breath, I wouldn't judge those parents who never have any time apart from their child, and do extended breastfeeding.

JimmyChooChoo · 28/01/2014 18:21

Janine fwiw I have never said anyone is 'unfit' or 'selfish'
I don't care what you say to me to be honest but I don't appreciate lies. No need for that really.

JanineStHubbins · 28/01/2014 18:23

Look at that Lauren Silverman woman who's having Simon cowells baby. She is never seen with her son. Ever. Everyone judged her for being an unfit mother and a selfish mother.

Confused
JimmyChooChoo · 28/01/2014 18:27

But I didn't judge her Janine. I never said I did did I Hmm

JanineStHubbins · 28/01/2014 18:38

Oh, ok. It was just everyone (except you). Fair enough.

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