to think older teens should be made to watch what an abortion is in PHSE. (sorry possibly triggering)

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I know this may be controversial but I have thought this for some time.
Abortion is legal in this country but still straight forward , informative talks about it are clouded by morality and judgement and at the end of the day, sometimes people need to have one in tragic circumstances i.e people who are made critically ill by pregnancy.
And are often as well as already scared and sad, i don't think most people make this decision lightly, are woefully underprepared which i'm sure must only add to emotional trauma.
and of course there are too many potential uninterested fathers who just utter 'get rid of it' at the hearing of potentially being a father, so disgustingly flippantly like throwing a crisp packet in the bin, I do think if they especially had seen a medical video of the procedure, well i think the number of people who just thrown that term around would be significantly less, if they had actually seen that image with their own eyes , and would be less detached from the idea and process.
I'm talking older teens , like 16+ here , not 11 year olds.
my mum and i have always though this, i would find it traumatising and pretty shocking, but compared to people who feel shame, go backstreet putting themselves at risk and people who go through with pregnancies they did not want/need. Surely a bit of discomfort is better then that being a legacy of another generation.

Yes, I assumed you meant late abortions as you talked of 'medical video of the procedure' in your OP. As others have said, a video of a termination at an early stage is difficult to imagine as it usually consists of taking a tablet and then waiting for products to be expelled.

I wondered how long it would take for the OP to cry "foul".:o

I think its a bloody stupid idea, sorry. What if they're rape victims? It sounds to me like it would be used to scare teens in to not getting pregnant. People have the right to abortion in this country and don't need to feel guilty due to videos they were shown in their late teens. It's hard enough dealing with the emotions after going through this.. People don't need things like this to make it even harder. I'm sure anyone knows what goes on - you don't need a video to enforce this.

OP, you still haven't come up with an argument that states why YOU think this is a good idea and what it is you actually want shown.

If the sex ed in school is good then discussions on contraception, terminations and becoming a parent covers nearly everthing that can be covered.

Straight, because there is very little to see in 'early' abortions.

I had one and as somebody has said, am so sad and regretful about the circumstances in which I had to have one - however the actual abortion was undoubtedly the right thing, not just for me but for the unborn child.

I cannot understand how watching a woman sit around, then a very straightforward 'poking' inside of her for ten minutes, then a brief recovery (mine took fifteen minutes) would put any off.

The real issues most people worry about regarding abortions are not their physical effects but their psychological ones. I felt, at first, as if I must be a cold person because I just felt relief. Research has shown me I am not alone - I am in fact in the majority. The percentage of traumatised women wringing their hands miserably for years afterwards are very small and I suspect most never wanted the abortion but were pressured to do so by family or partners.

Contraception does fail and circumstances do change - ours was a much-wanted and planned baby but I was left high and dry and couldn't see a way to make it work. I would, I don't doubt it, which is why I initially hesitated, but it just wasn't the life I wanted for my son or daughter.

Obviously it is preferable not to have an abortion: I never thought however I would want or need an abortion but when I did I felt so incredibly grateful I could have one easily and without any judgement from medical professionals.

I will add however just in the interests of balance - anecdotally, I had no counselling and I went privately to the clinic and therefore the doctors who signed my form were presumably the same ones carrying out the procedure. I think some people think counselling is available as a matter of course as in "are you sure this is what you want" - in my experience this did not happen and it was just assumed I was going to have the termination. Strangely I wasn't fully decided at that point.

I wish people would RTFT

IMO I think you are TOTALLY and utterly WRONG.
Im currently PG and the baby has problems which many would abort for.
I spent a lot of time breaking my heart over what to do, and spent a lot of time on the Internet. I have never been so traumatised by anything. Seeing graphic images nearly pushed me over the edge.
It was bad enough, as a child, having anti abortion information pushed on me by a religious parent. Thankfully back then it wasn't graphic images, and my general belief has been freedom of choice. But having actually been in the situation of having ro consider terminating, even as a person who likes to be totally in control and know what is going to happen, seeing what happens DOES NOT HELP.
If, being made to watch something like this puts even one young person off making the choice which is right for them, then this would be an injustice.
Young people's sex education should cover EVERYTHING. From considering intercourse through sex into pregnancy, options and beyond in an objective manner. Whatever choices I made myself, abortion is never wrong. And your view seems like the opinion of someone with an agenda. Hopefully you will never have control of my DCs sex ed.

An early termination is a simple medical procedure. What's your point OP?

Sorry, that should be . There's nothing funny about this thread, or the garbled, ill- thought out views of the OP.

At no point did i say 'put people off'

*Anybody off, sorry.

I had a surgical abortion at 9 weeks but it was a very fast, painless, straightforward procedure. I also barely bled at all which surprised me.

Every day, the average man throws away several million perfectly healthy sperms. Every month, millions of women throw away millions of perfectly healthy eggs.

Nobody is up in arms about this mass disposal of potential babies so what's so intrinsically special about a sperm-egg combination at an early stage of development?

Take a non-existent God out of the equation and the answer is 'absolutely nothing whatever'.

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That is, YANBU about wanting young women to be shown the options they have, if that's what you're getting at. YABU if this is pro-life propaganda you're advocating. Abortion is a choice that women are and always should be entitled to for whatever reason, at whatever age. So is keeping the baby. The realities shouldn't be hidden from them, but they should be shown objectively and in a way that will inform, but never influence a decision

YABU to want teenagers to actually be shown videos of an abortion being carried out

Totally agree with you here. Couldn't have said it better myself

Was shown abortions and dead foetuses in bins at school when I was about 15. So you want to force girls or young women against their will possibly - like A Clockwork Orange a la Malcolm McDowall's reconditioning?

Think anyone opting for abortion of thinking about it should be told the whole facts about the proceedure. Forcing people to watch an abortion makes you sound like one of these fucked up US Christian fundamantalist. YABU.

I did RTFT

You stated you wanted teenagers to be shown a medical video of the procedure.

It's a ridiculous idea.

Also, are you just showing the girls the video?

Straight, I have read the thread and genuinely want to understand, and at the moment I do not - sorry.

Could you try to explain WHY you feel this would be a good idea? To put them off terminations or to put them off sex?

It is just that early abortions are so simple, I doubt it would put anybody off one or therefore off sex. I think everybody arrives, eventually, at a point themselves with what they feel about terminations - I keep mine private (apart from here, of course.) But that is something for the individual to decide, just as we all make choices about our health and individual morals are a part of that.

I genuinely want to understand what you would hope to achieve with this video? Have you had an abortion yourself?

I have read the Opening post twice and still can't work out what point the OP is trying to get across.

That watching abortions would stop people having them? That watching them would prepare them for when they did have them???

As a teacher I would be very comfortable indeed about this idea and would refuse to do it. I want to educate students not cause distress. There would need to be a massively valid educational reason for doing this and I just don't see what it would be.

uncomfortable bloody proof reading!!

just to prepare, if they did purely that, how to access,what do they ask you? how you are cared for after , what happens during a procedure, how to deal with possible pain afterwards etc to educate.

Most people will choose not to watch it on the internet though, if was done in a documentary style? surely there is too much ignorance and teen pregnancy to get so hysterical about this idea, I'm a teen mother myself before anyone even dares start about that point.

How about those people who have to terminate, OP really don't want to, and can only get through it by detaching themselves from the procedure? How does having been made to watch exactly what happens in school help them?
Or, people who are pg through rape or abuse?

WHAT IF YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS?
You are suggesting taking away people's choices.

Decent school sex ed already explains how to access services, how they are cared for, what the different procedures are, risks involved etc etc. There is no need for the medical procedure to be shown.

Yabu .... under 18s years olds are not allowed to watch graphic films . Its the law.

To protect their brains from pysycological damage .

I wouldnt want teens watching any other medical operation either .

Fuck all to do with abortion rights or anything . ( personal choice effected by circumstances )

Absolutely true Binky.