Feeling upset about how the bar man spoke to us.

[crazygal]

Hi...
We decided to go out yesterday after having all Xmas in,our local pub/restaurant is just two mins walk over the road,
We booked a table and had a lovely meal,myself,dh and ds (9) also hfa...

After our meal,we took ourselves to the sofa were our friends were sitting,there boys were playing on there iPods,so our ds joined in,
The boys were good as gold,
But one of the boys started complaining that he lost his games,his mum took his iPod off him and told him to calm down,so her ds ran down the restaurant and outside,leaving the door open,
She sat there....
My ds got up and said,"I'll get him" I said no,leave it,but he didn't listen,and he ran out to him,I followed straight away and ordered him back in,
He ran back to the seat!
I spoke to my friends boy and calmed him and got him back in,he also ran,he's 8.
The little boys asked his mum for the iPod,she said no again..he ran down the restaurant agin! My ds got up and ran after him!!
I got up again and ordered the boys back in and asked them to walk nicely....
They didn't!
The bar man then came to me and said if your boy doesn't sit down then I'm going to have to ask you to leave!
Well...I wasn't very happy,
I said I'm clearly trying to get hi to sit down,we are regulars here and he's never stepped out of line!
He said nothing to the other mum.
The bar man repeated to me,like I said,if he doesn't behave you have to leave,I went over to the manager,with the bar man,I was pretty heeded off,I said I always keep check on my son in here,he's never allowed to run around and I got up each time (3times) and asked the boys to sit down,what more can I do?
He wasn't actually doing anything wrong!!
Besides,the loo is down there too...

The manager understood and (she's a personal friend) said I know your good parents,but you mate is not!
I pointed out we have been there for two hrs and he got off his seat 3 times!
To follow his friend....she understood and was lovely,
But he butted in at that point and said,if he doesn't stay seated then you have to leave....
I said we live in a small community full of family's,your restaurant has a sign welcoming children and was awarded5 stars for family pub!
I'm not sitting down getting pissed and letting him run around.
I got up each time....I'm doing my job being a parent why don't you do yours! He said I am and he has to sit down...
I told him he needs to work else where were kids are not welcome if he can't cope with a child getting up and down,

I walked off and a guy having a drink Interrupted me and said,he is only doing his job!
Omg I felt so angry and upset,we know the bar man,he joined us for my birthday meal,we don't socialise with him,but he's been in our company with others before...
I asked my friends who where there after,was I out of order,they said,we don't want to get involved...which upset me...
My hubby says I wasn't,he said he had not need to come over and tell me as I was clearly getting him to sit down,
In front of everyone to...
I don't know...we normally go there once a week for food but I'm feeling embarrassed now...

My friend was drunk,but not silly,she does let her ds run,I don't judge her for that,but wish I'd had some support of people...

Sorry for the long post...you half of it was getting it off my chest!

back2 - like I say, it's not rude to correct a mistake. Certainly not in my opinion anyway.

It is rude to throw insults.

Of course it's rude to correct a mistake, the worst bad manners are commenting/noticing others.

The worst bad manners are correcting mistakes?

What a strange world you must live in.

Of course, it is so rude and classless to make others feel bad about themselves. If you feel the need to show your superiority over something to make others feel inferior it is very bad manners.

Have you never heard the saying if you have a guest round for dinner who picks up the wrong knife and fork you then use the wrong knife and fork to make them feel at ease?

What a strange world you must live in not to of known this?

Maybe you should train as a teacher juno and then you may get r red pen out and mark others mistakes to your hearts content.

People have probably already said this...but even though pubs are family friendly, it doesn't mean that children have free reign to run around- no matter what the parent is doing (or, in your friend's case, not doing) to stop them.

I LOVE children. However, I HATE (and I mean, this is a HUGE bug bear of mine) being out at a pub or a cafe when I am not able to enjoy what I am spending my money on because someone else's children are running around, misbehaving.

TBH, although I completely agree with other posters that you should be mad at your useless friend rather than at the bar man, I wish there were more pub or café or restaurant staff who would stick their neck's out to ensure that adult environments remain so...

Sorry if this sounds harsh- like many people, we can't afford to eat out all that much, and when we do, I want to be able to have a laugh / conversation with my husband / friends / family without being interrupted by children!

do go back to the pub with your son op. Its your local and somewhere you enjoy. Just say hi to everyone, all children misbehave now and then. Im sure your little lad will be fine. Tell him any running is to be saved for the park.

Back2basics I wasn't trying to make the OP feel bad about herself, or inferior. Nor do I consider myself superior.

I obviously have a small piece of spelling knowledge that I thought I would share.

In very sorry that this has upset you so much.

Juno I am normally not one who gets into these kinds of arguments, BUT
you were basically shouting at the OP.
If I was shouted at by a complete stranger who thought something I was doing was inappropriate I would find that very embarrassing, odd, and I would certainly think that such person had some sort of problem.
Perhaps next time you might want to wait a bit more before thinking that your opinion is appreciated on something that has nothing to do with the topic discussed.

Anybody who pulls rank on someone by complaining to their boss as a 'personal friend' deserves everything they get IMO.

Hmm. So did 3 or 4 other posters who obviously feel the same way as I do.

And I was 'shouted at' (if you mean using capitals) to 'fuck off' by two posters, which is awfully rude and really, aggressive.

I used capitals as emphasis rather than inferring shouting. I apologise if you took it otherwise and I offended you. I don't shout at people.

Lastly, I wasn't actually offering my opinion. I was pointing out a factual error.

I guess I just think spelling and grammar are really quite important. I wouldn't hire someone, for example, who couldn't differentiate between except and accept. I felt it was courteous to try to help the OP with her basic error - obviously it's feeling isn't mutual between us and for that, I can only suggest we agree to disagree.

Juno. I guess your apology wasn't that sincere .

Correcting someone's mistake ONCE is ok but you went on to correct it twice in an abrupt and rude way. It was patronizing and rude. To continue to insist it wasn't doesn't suggest you were simply wanting to 'share' your superior knowledge rather it suggests you were irritated by the OPs mistake.

As I've said, I am not superior. I was pointing out an error.

It was not patronising, because being unable to spell isn't indicative of age.

I've apologised to those who felt I was rude. I had no intention of being rude. This had obviously not been accepted, so there is little more I can do.

I stand by my opinion that correcting mistakes is reasonable, and I absolutely respect the fact that you disagree.