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Ripping live animals apart is a wonderful British tradition that should be preseved.

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ItsAWonderfulCervix · 26/12/2013 13:05

Let's overturn the ban. After all boxing day just isn't any fun without a few dead foxes and blood and guts and stuff.

And while we're at it, don't you just love a bit of badger baiting for variety When shredding foxes gets dull.

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DizzyZebra · 27/12/2013 01:02

Every HSA group does that do they? No. A large amount of abuse comes from them. And i stand by my statement that anyone who continues to support that group is supporting that.

Those people should perhaps break off and join an actual group that works to support animal rights and prevent cruelty, Or start one that doesn't tolerate that behaviour from its members.

I would have thought anyone who truely is against animal cruelty would not want to associate with people who actively participate in the abuse of animals and innocent children.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss · 27/12/2013 01:03

Ill tell you a far, far, bigger source of animal cruelty shall I? Keeping bunnies and guinea pigs in tiny hutches or hamsters in small cages and expecting children to care for them. This country is FULL of starving, freezing, neglected pets festering in their own shit and licking their mange ridden coats. This pisses me off WAY more than a bit of fox hunting. A fox can and often does make a clean getaway. The pet bunnies are doomed!
If you want to be an activist, go stand outside Pets At Home and shout at people purchasing animal sacrifices for their offspring!

RandyRudolf · 27/12/2013 01:03

sleep representatives for The League of cruel sports are often out in the field obtaining video footage and will turn it into the authorities when necessary.

dizzy I think the hunt Sabs will continue to monitor hunts until the day they are confident all hunts are within the law. Unfortunately I don't think that will be anytime soon.

DizzyZebra · 27/12/2013 01:07

Does it not bother you that the HSA dont make a big deal of its members engaging in violent acts against animals and children then? It doesn't bother you at all that even a small number (As you said) commit such cruel acts and the organisation supports these acts?

Only, If it were my organisation and my members were engaging in cruelty, I'd kick them out and make a massive example of them.

RandyRudolf · 27/12/2013 01:07

Many hunt Sabs are involved in a wide range of animal welfare causes not just anti hunting groups. As they come from all walks of life they contribute in many ways as well as being on the front line at hunts.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss · 27/12/2013 01:08

dizzy I think the hunt Sabs will continue to monitor hunts until the day they are confident all hunts are within the law.
And what about the bloodhound packs who have ALWAYS operated within the law and still get sabbed?

RandyRudolf · 27/12/2013 01:09

dizzy I think the same can be said of all groups to be honest. There will always be a small minority that will let the side down. You just can't allow it to reflect on the rest of the group or community.

DizzyZebra · 27/12/2013 01:10

I still say they have no right to be there when there is no evidence or suggestion that any law breaking is going on. Quite frankly, If i were drag hunting (I do plan to when i buy another horse, i cant have one at the moment) and they turned up i would kick up a stink and id demand they were removed by the police. What they are doing would not be tolerated in any other area as i said - I would not be able to gang up with a group of my friends and follow you around in case you break the law (Rightly so). So they should not be able to do it to me just because i own a horse and might like to jump a few pissing hedges with a group of people chasing an imaginary animal.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss · 27/12/2013 01:11

Randy that statement reflects the hunting community as well. But sabs do their bit across the board. Hipocrisy?

DizzyZebra · 27/12/2013 01:13

Does that not work both ways? We can't judge you all as vigilante animal and child abusers... But you can judge us all as cold blooded animal killers and even follow us around, despite no evidence what so ever of any illegal activiity...

SaggyOldClothCatPuss · 27/12/2013 01:16

Many hunt Sabs are involved in a wide range of animal welfare causes not just anti hunting groups. As they come from all walks of life they contribute in many ways as well as being on the front line at hunts
And this statement does not reply to what I said about pets. The damage done to neglected pets is FAR worse than that done to foxes. I don't see any national anti housepet campaigns!

SleepOhHowIMissYou · 27/12/2013 01:16

I do think there should be more prosecutions when the law is broken. Polls show 80% in favour of the ban currently. We live in a democracy and the majority abhor blood sports. We don't turn a blind eye to drink driving or burglary so why this?

DizzyZebra · 27/12/2013 01:18

I don't think a blind eye should be turned Sleep. I have never said that. It's against the law. If you're caught breaking the law you should be prosecuted.

Opinions on fox hunting being right or wrong don't come in to that.

I just don't think it's the hunt sabateurs place to decide who is guilty of breaking those laws or to police innocent people when there is no evidence to suggest they are breaking the law.

DizzyZebra · 27/12/2013 01:19

And if there is evidence they should pass that evidence to the police. Not go vigilante.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss · 27/12/2013 01:20

Foxhunting is a minority pursuit. The majority keep pets. Like I said, a blind eye is turned on that all of the time.

RandyRudolf · 27/12/2013 01:21

What kind of house pet campaigns would you like to see?

NigellasDealer · 27/12/2013 01:21

This country is FULL of starving, freezing, neglected pets festering in their own shit and licking their mange ridden coats
saggy speaks truth y know

SleepOhHowIMissYou · 27/12/2013 01:22

Saggy I think you would be prosecuted if you bought pets in order to set your dog or cat on them just for fun. I do agree it is sad when pets get neglected as you describe, however, if you suspect this to be the case, you can call the RSPCA who will intervene.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss · 27/12/2013 01:24

Id like to see an end to caged pets. Vast numbers suffer neglect at the hands of children and ignorant owners. Its as bad as battery chicken farming.

RandyRudolf · 27/12/2013 01:26

Id like to see an end to caged pets. Vast numbers suffer neglect at the hands of children and ignorant owners. Its as bad as battery chicken farming.

And on that we do agree.

DizzyZebra · 27/12/2013 01:27

The RSPCA are useless as fuck. I have not forgiven them for an incident a few years ago involving an abandoned horse. Tosspots. Or for taking my mums dog, accusing her of not feeding it, Then admitting that the only way they could get it to put on weight was with steroids, And at the same time admitting that they wouldnt give her the steroids, Despite knowing it would loose weight when not on them, And then saying they would intervene again if the dog lost weight again.... WTF.

DizzyZebra · 27/12/2013 01:28

Im pretty sure they support a number of organisatons involved in battery farming too. I may be wrong on that. I am tired but may google to find it if the baby gets off my boob and i can fetch my glasses.

RandyRudolf · 27/12/2013 01:30

I think the RSPCA are stretched and underfunded (or funds misappropriated). Perhaps better education is required in regard to animal welfare and tougher penalties for those who break the law.

SleepOhHowIMissYou · 27/12/2013 01:31

Saggy, I'm not disagreeing with you about caged pets and children. However, there is a difference to those who neglect through apathy and ignorance and those to set out to inflict a terrifying and painful death to an animal just for fun. They're both wrong, but the latter makes me wonder what's going on upstairs.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss · 27/12/2013 01:31

Its not SAD. Its not a shame. Its every bit as cruel as killing a fox. More so. The poor caged animals have NO means of escape from a slow unpleasant death. And as for the RSPCA they are absolutely no fucking use. And at no time did I mention setting cats or dogs on them.
Your post is patronising and minimising. Its not a case of what I suspect! There are animals living in unpleasant cruel conditions everywhere!