Buggies must be folded by law, if a wheelchair user wishes to board

[BerniceBroadside]

I know this can be a hot topic so thought I'd share that stagecoach have new signs on their buses stating that buggies must be folded by law if a wheelchair user wishes to board. Let's hope it's actually enforced.

Who thinks 'having a baby is the same as having a disability'? I don't think anyone has said this. Misplaced anger, yes. There are some people on this thread who have said things which are totally unacceptable and have been called on it. I don't think anyone is defending this view point.

Some people are just trying to make the point that it can also be hard for parents of multiples/ parents with SPD/ parents with whatever issues you like. Of course it is no where near what disabled people or parents of disabled children have to face. However compared to the average bus user these people may deserve some extra consideration. That's all.

And as PP said, sometimes it is a safety issue. Where I am the bus drivers don't give a fuck and I can't count the number of times I, or my 2 year old has gone flying down the aisle as the bus sped off. It would be impossible to fold a buggy in that time even if I was trying to. And yes I have had words with the driver many times to no avail!

Erm, if I've paid my way and I've put my pram down, I'm not getting off. Trust me.

Wow. How kind of you.

Firstly, of course wheelchair users have priority. No question.

But don't be so sniffy about 'tesco tessies' with their trolleys. For many elderly people, the four-wheeler trolley also acts as a mobility aid. Gives them stability as they walk or ride on a bus, as well as carrying their shopping. It can't be unpacked or folded and their needs are as valid, if not more so, as many a buggy user.

I think next time I'll just drag the buggy off myself.

need I'm not sure if you've ever tried that but someone did round this way a few months ago. The police were called. They were removed. And that was just for an overcrowded bus. The driver and the police got a round of applause, including from the other mums who had folded their buggies.

The fact is for many multiple families (which vary hugely) their buggy and multiples can't vanish into thin air however much you froth

The fact is for all people that use wheelchairs, their wheelchair and the need for it can't vanish into thin air no matter how much of a misplaced sense of entitlement you have.

So which parent is starting the campaign for designated buggy spaces? Or is that too much hassle as well?

Downstairs, you got there before me.

needaholiday, you wouldn't get off for a wheelchair user if there wasn't enough space to accommodate you both? If not, then I think you deserve people 'being an arse' with you.

Really Amber.

Sorry I did just get on with being a mum of 3 under 15 months but putting them at risk no I wouldn't.

Juggling 2 live wire toddlers and a newborn on a fast moving bus with no restraint would be too risky so I wouldn't have used the bus.It was a nightmare with the buggy as it was. The thought of possibly having to get off and having 3 to hold would not be worth the risk.

Great I'd have sucked it up but many multiple mums feel isolated,need to get out and need encouragement to do so.Stopping them from logistically using buses is crap.Sorry but it is.

Amberleaf is pretty much saying what I wanted to say!

It's no ones fault here that life is difficult

Well, it is some people heres fault that difficult lives are made even more difficult.

Oh please. They're too fucking lazy. They just piggyback on three decades of disability campaigners' work.

I've had it with trying to educate and explain nicely. You can't educate shit.

Gobby isn't frothing. She's furious, yes and rightly so. I'm amazed at how eloquently she's putting her points across.

And it drives me nuts when I see empty, unfolded buggies on a busy bus with toddlers on seats.

Well Amber we have a non vanishing wheelchair and a non vanishing buggy with multiple babies.

There is a problem which I'm pointing out.

Schnockles I've not started on the vodka yet

Should say I'm amazed because I wouldn't be able to if I was that furious!!

gobby that would be a tad unfair on the dc you fold up although I do seem to find My mental image of lots of squashed little faces and waving feet rather amusing ]

Gobby I might need to after this thread!

Yeah? I'll fold DS' wheelchair to put in yours if you like, it's quite big.