To think capping child tax credits at two children will plunge more families into poverty

[SoonToBeSix]

Can't link but article is in the Daily Fail. A Tory mp has proposed capping child benefit and child tax credits at two children in order to win votes.
What happens to those children whose parents circumstances change ie redundancy or there is a contraception failure?
This government is taking welfare cuts too far while continuing to let the very rich avoid paying the correct taxes.

[wannabedomesticgoddess]

Oh, and as DP is the same age as me, that's another 40 odd years of contributions from him.

So, 7 years say, of help, compared to 80 odd years of contributions.

Jesus, we are such scroungers.

[stgeorgiaandthedragon]

Wanna - didn't you say you had two children and could not afford a third?

If so, I can't understand why you think anyone here thinks you're a scrounger?

[bronya]

I would imagine it would be for future children. So if you have four children now, you'd continue to get CB and tax credits for all four. If you had a fifth, you wouldn't get anything extra.

[TheBigJessie]

What darkesteyes said.

[Mushypeasandchipstogo]

In reply to Wannabe why is it not logical that many in their late 60s onwards who have worked all of their lives should deserve a decent pension? FWIW I got a degree and worked FT for over 14 years before I had my DC!

[wannabedomesticgoddess]

There was a saying on another thread I saw yesterday.

The only time you should look into your neighbours bowl is to make sure they have enough.

That might not be word for word but you get the gist.

I am no benefits. Therefore I am a scrounger. Or are we deciding scroungerness on a case by case basis?

[farrowandbawlbauls]

If this policy goes through...does this mean that it's just the mothers that are going to bear the brunt of this or are the fathers still going to be allowed to father children here there and everywhere without any responsibilty?

[farrowandbawlbauls]

and not or.

[wannabedomesticgoddess]

Well then you deserve your DCs more than I deserve mine Mushy.

Pensioners get plenty. Ofcourse there are many who are in poverty, but pensions and pension related benefits aren't under attack.

[Sadoldbag]

poster wannabedomesticgoddess again trying to shut conversation down no I one called you a scrounger you are attaching that word to yourself


I don't blame those who claim for doing so it's the system is broke only blame them for not seeing why those who work and ear less than if they were on welfare get cross

And ALS they can never seem to answer why me and others should pay for other to have more children when I can not afford more

[WooWooOwl]

Needaholiday

Wow. So if I was to have DC3 I should have him/her taken off me, whether planned or unplanned if I'm on a low income?

Yeah, that's what I said, you should have any future children taken away from you.

FFS

I have no idea about your circumstances. But if two people have a child when they are already receiving full benefits for themselves and two children, then they find themselves struggling to provide food and shelter for the third child out of the money they get because they can't find any type of work, then they may well need social services intervention and support.

[BakerStreetSaxRift]

A previous poster mentioned how will this be enforced for people who go on to have second families?

I'm really struggling to get my head sound this, will each one person be entitled to one child each with benefits? Or will it only apply to women?

Hmmm.

[Mushypeasandchipstogo]

Pensioners get plenty. Really?

[annieorangutan]

Social services intervention costs a lot more than the benefits so thats pointless.

[Sadoldbag]

farrow this needs to be addressed as well I really think that men should be made to top up ex partners wages not the tax payer they are not MY kids the fathers should pay

[annieorangutan]

How will that be enforced though sadoldbag?

[farrowandbawlbauls]

What about blended families where both parteners have full custody of all the children?

[WooWooOwl]

It could be dependant on households, so no household can receive benefits for more than two children.

[LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726]

wannabe... It actually matters little what anybody thinks. The purse strings are controlled by Government and the rights and wrongs of policy aren't decided by people. All the people can do is get the elected politicians out and replace them with... more politicians, making yet more bad policies.

If the Government decides on a 'cap' there will be one. As the quote goes, we can't control the wind but we can adjust our sails.

stgeorgia, thank you! :)

[Darkesteyes]

georgia i wasnt referring to you. I was refferring to the ppl coming up with the idea.
With some of the attitudes towwards women/mothers today im SOOOOOOOOOO glad i gave motherhood a huge swerve.

[Darkesteyes]

BakerStreet i have a feeling you answered your own question. I too have a nasty feeling it will only apply to women.

[annieorangutan]

So men could have 10 kids by 5 women and women can only have 2. Yeah that will work

[WooWooOwl]

Blended families with two lots of children should also have two lots of parents to pay for them. There are also two parents in the household that are able to work, and they still get help with the first two children if they need it.

If that's still not enough, then they will have to rethink blending their families, because it's not a decision that the state should have to pay for.

[Sadoldbag]

I think we need to get hard on dads



My auntie lives in Florida


And they say you only really have two bills state tax and child support


If you can afford child support you won't get a marriage licence because who you can you take on another family if you can't pay for your first also you won't get a drivers licence either


Road tax, ECt costs Money I would like to see this sort of system

[WooWooOwl]

How do you suggest it should work anniorangutan? Is the system we have at the moment one that you think works well for the country?