To think change4life shouldn't partner up with a baby killing machine?

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Nestle? Really?

www.nhs.uk/change4life/Pages/national-partners-nestle.aspx

Excuse the language but, what the fucking fuck?

www.change.org/petitions/department-of-health-for-england-and-wales-end-change4life-links-to-nestl%C3%A9-and-danone

I signed the petition yesterday. Good idea posting the link to the thread.

Scottish, you just seem to want an argument here, for the sake of arguing. OP has never stated that she has all the answers, but she has made lots of people aware of the abhorrent (I don't think you can genuinely argue with this) practices committed by Nestle over the years.
OP, you are obviously passionate about something I also strongly believe in and you are being goaded by Scottish. Don't rise to it. She seems to take great pleasure in winding you up!
Don't revert to name calling, although I can see why you have. If you poke something enough, it will bite!
We can all easily boycott Nestle. As a society, and the world at large, we have been complacent for far too long. People are beginning to stand up to big companies/authority all over the world. We can make a difference.
I am disgusted that CFL are associated with Nestle. Scottish, yes they are a big company and could make a difference, but where are their interests really? Perhaps you could come up with your own solutions and not get off on playing devil's advocate? But no, you won't want to do that. You would rather wind up OP until she bites and then play victim!
She is trying to make people aware of despicable practices so that they can then go on and make their own choices based on sound information. But that seems to be a crime in your eyes.

On the contrary beaky,I'm asking if not Nestlé,who else.I can legitimately ask what I wish
Op alluded to tax redistribution and limiting size of nestle,but hasn't elaborated
If one believe nestle too unethical,then whom else will partner the health scheme -what is the proposed alternative?or is it simply cancel the programme because nestle involved

No. I think sm isnt that fond of Nestle herself, but that doesnt stop her thinking that it is ok for them to do much as they want.

I don't have to come up with an alternative partner,I don't object to nestle
If one is vehemently opposed to nestle I'm interested it see what the alternative is
Have you read thread properly?have you seen I've repeatedly said I support political agitation. If one feels strongly absolutely protest,agitate.

Conversely not all people will do so,and indeed the majority dont boycott nestle

The nhs doesnt boycott nestle,so there no procedural reason they shouldn't win a contract

It seems scottishmummy regards the needs of a health programme for some in our privileged country above the needs and lives of those who are ruined by nestle and their actions worldwide.

I don't have to come up with an alternative partner,I don't object to nestle

No you dont.
But how bad would they have to be for you to object? I suspect, very very bad indeed.

.If one is vehemently opposed to nestle I'm interested it see what the alternative is.

They take a so called inferior bid.
And rules of how bids are won could be changed next time, if it is the system that is at fault.

The nhs doesnt boycott nestle,so there no procedural reason they shouldn't win a contract

True. See above.

I too am proposing people avail selves of facts,discussing the difficult aspects of health ethics/economics to make informed choices on all information
I don't think discussing nestle is a crime as you put it.i have no allegiance to them
I disagreed with the simplistic response the C4L programme shouldn't run because nestle involved, that denies patients a health opportunity

There are some people, that unless something happens directly to affect them, then they cannot see where a problem is.

So despite nhs not boycotting nestle you want nhs to disbar an eligible bid
Decline Eligible bid which may deliver beneficial health programme,because a minority object
That's denying a majority who don't boycott nestle a health opportunity

Not denying them if they accept 'inferior' bid.

Not denying nestle's bid because a minority object. The reason is conflict of interests.

Because Scottish, I don't think any of us has the answers, as to who else, but that doesn't make it right that it is Nestle. They should be made accountable for their crimes and their hypocrisy. It is laughable that they sell extremely unhealthy foods and are behind a health campaign.
Do you propose that we, as consumers, do nothing? Are they not giving the impression to millions of people that by being associated with CFL, that their products are a healthy choice and their company is actively promoting good health?
There are many people, as this thread has shown, that are not aware of the way in which Nestle has operated in the past. Yes, of course, they are going to try to convert people or salvage their reputation by this association, but that doesn't make it right. And yes, given the choice, I would rather this program was cancelled and see Nestle boycotted for their involvement in the deaths of many, many babies. Do you really think that if it had been in the UK people would be so passive?

and yes, I have read the whole thread

If company x put in an "eligible bid" but were absolutely known to have the worst company practices in the world, would that be ok by you?

and what were the babies denied?

Clearly those who approved the tenders saw no conflict of interest.thats your pov

they saw cash

Can you substantiate that?do you understand how tendering and bid works?
There is a scoring matrix and it's not wholly money,I imagine the submissions were scrutinised
And yes money is significant factor in all public sector provision. Need to be prudent too

No Scottish, I can't substantiate that, but it is what I believe. You do a good job of avoiding all comments directed to you about how they have behaved as a company and how so many people have been affected by their dire actions.
Maybe you can enlighten us all?

sm. Can you answer my last question please? [I know you dont have to].

The conflict of interest is not just a point of view. It's as clear as day where the conflict of interest lies between the two.

No.and clearly nhs England don't see any conflict if interest
Again given you vehment dishlike of nestle you would say that
I imagine nestle have the operations,the infrastructure to deliver on the spec

Conflicts detailed here - info.babymilkaction.org/change4life

I like to see you substantiate that they did NOT see cash. It can't be done.

info.babymilkaction.org/change4life

Clicky link.