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To think change4life shouldn't partner up with a baby killing machine?

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LambinsideaDuckinsideaTrout · 08/12/2013 15:14

Nestle? Really?

www.nhs.uk/change4life/Pages/national-partners-nestle.aspx

Excuse the language but, what the fucking fuck?

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LambinsideaDuckinsideaTrout · 09/12/2013 16:14

president I accept other views. No problem with that. I accept that the fact that you only buy a couple jars of nescafe a month even though you could easily pick another brand makes you feel like 'oh well they don't make much profit from that' which eases you of any guilt that I may feel in your shoes. Fair enough.

The parrot is back. I am having deja vu.

You're perfectly willing to shout from the rooftops about the unfair aspect that some people in our privileged country might not get access to a health programme if C4L didn't run.
But the unfairness of nestle using child labour, or unethical practices which breach WHO code of conduct, and numerous other unfair acts on their part doesn't bother you.
Why should nestle profit from that?

Why should nestle be allowed to put on a front of good association with health through this programme when in fact they stand for the opposite and make profit creating members of the public who need this bloody programme?

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scottishmummy · 09/12/2013 16:19

You swear,you name call,you make snidey remarks to pov you Dislike
You're not so adept at this online debate thang,seeing you get so personal
Who else should partner if not nestle?

scottishmummy · 09/12/2013 16:20

Mn is pretty robust,I don't think anyone needs a pomander for fear of scary scots

TheXxed · 09/12/2013 16:25

Scottish the boycott is still going but has yet to accomplish its target that does not mean it has failed. It is continuing.

I can't think of any social movements that have resolved themselves within a decade.

scottishmummy · 09/12/2013 16:32

It's not a universal boycott, The royal college midwives ceased support 1997.
Of course I support individual right to agitate,I don't agree using nestle=support baby killers
I also think patient access to health shouldn't be limited because minority boycott nestle

LambinsideaDuckinsideaTrout · 09/12/2013 16:32

I am scot. I am not scared of you. Words on a screen and all that shite.

There are unacceptable conflicts of interest when the Department of Health enters into a partnership arrangement with a company like Nestle, particularly following the move of responsibility for nutrition policy in England.

Nestle gives out materials for use in the healthcare system without the required written permission from the Secretary of State for Health. The Department of Health has failed to enforce the rules. Now it has Nestlé as a partner, people will question why it has not taken action and be suspicious if it instead approves the materials.

It is the world's largest junk food company, criticised for the impact of its unhealthy foods on diets and its contribution to the rise in obesity. In the UK, it is particularly criticised for promoting cereals high in salt and sugar to children, including through its 'box tops for education' scheme, which sees schools encouraging children to bring in Nestle cereals tops to be redeemed for cash.

In answer to your question, anyfucker but Nestle.

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PresidentServalan · 09/12/2013 16:33

Actually I buy the product because it is the only coffee I like, my comment about not making them any money was because of the comments about being as bad as the company for buying the product.

I can't get worked up enough about the situation to boycott it. It's naive to think that most big corporations don't have skeletons in their closet.

I feel very strongly about certain causes but this isn't one of them.

scottishmummy · 09/12/2013 16:35

So why suggest folk aren't posting as I'm scaring them off?why tell me to fuck off
Ok,so who's your alternative partner agency.whats your criteria for ethical trader
Would you still seek to limit size big business as you've said,how would that work

MmeLindor · 09/12/2013 16:35

Think is, Lamb, your combative and frankly snide comments are not helping your cause. Whether it is 'your' campaign or not - if you want to persuade me of something, start by not calling me a baby killer (or not saying that I am indifferent to babies dying).

I don't boycott Nestle because I don't think it works. The boycott has been going on for years now, and they just don't care.

Nestle is held up as the big evil corporation, but I reckon if you were to only buy products from companies that treat their employees, their suppliers and their customers well, you'd soon run out of 'acceptable' products.

Whether or not the NHS should team up with them - I don't know. I guess they are short of money and have to take what they can get. Would be nice if they could be fussy and not take the money, but perhaps that is the compromise they have to make to improve lives in this country.

LambinsideaDuckinsideaTrout · 09/12/2013 16:36

That's your prerogative president you do your thing for your causes, I will do the same for mine.

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LambinsideaDuckinsideaTrout · 09/12/2013 16:38

I did not call you a babykiller Mmelindor

I did not say you were indifferent to babies dying.

Defeatist attitude.

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LambinsideaDuckinsideaTrout · 09/12/2013 16:39

I didn't tell you to fuck off either scottishmummy. Did I? No, I didn't.

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PresidentServalan · 09/12/2013 16:41

And yes it supplies junk food but nobody has to buy it - freedom of choice and all that. You are free to boycott whatever product you like, just as I am free not to.

Obesity is not caused by major corporations - it is caused by people making a choice to eat too much junk and not exercise enough. Cereals may be marketed at children but it is the parents who buy them.

scottishmummy · 09/12/2013 16:42

Whoopsie did you skid there?youve habitually inferred not supporting boycott=baby killer
You made lots folk not giving shit,nestle consumer =indifferent to. Infant death
You've spent a disproportionate time harrumphing,swearing and name calling.try a bit heated discussion without the aggro

scottishmummy · 09/12/2013 16:44

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LambinsideaDuckinsideaTrout · 09/12/2013 16:48

Aye, but I didn't tell you to fuck off. See the difference there hen?

People read into what is written how they will but I have not directly called any person a baby killer or said that they are indifferent about those deaths.

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MmeLindor · 09/12/2013 16:51

No, you didn't call me a babykiller, but in the next sentence you say 'defeatist attitude'.

No. It is not defeatist. It is realistic.

I don't boycott Nestle. That is my decision.

Inferring that I am weak does not strengthen your argument, you know.

LambinsideaDuckinsideaTrout · 09/12/2013 16:55

Defeatist attitude vs realistic is a very thin line, I can see from both sides.

But I refuse to just accept it.

Many changes have been made over the years in many areas that people thought wouldn't/couldn't ever happen. They would have said they were being realistic at the time.

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scottishmummy · 09/12/2013 16:55

How kind it was an offer did I wish to fuck the fuck off.as opposed to a command
How very thoughtful too think of me in all your fuckery, really thoughtful
Glad you cleared up the baby killer thang,so no aspersions cast.youre merely chewin fat

LambinsideaDuckinsideaTrout · 09/12/2013 17:04

It was neither an offer nor a command. I see your reading is on a par with your typing.

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hackmum · 09/12/2013 17:11

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scottishmummy · 09/12/2013 17:12

Seeing you're going for truth and aw that lamb,you may wish to note and retract your erroneous comments no one said they didn't give a shit about babies

Whether a person chooses to do anything or not, saying that actually you couldn't give a shit about all those babies that have died does make you a worse person than the next who feels differently. no one said they didn't give a shit?no one at all - that's your erroneous paraphrase

You've cast aspersions,name called and generally been intemperate throughout thread

scottishmummy · 09/12/2013 17:15

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LambinsideaDuckinsideaTrout · 09/12/2013 17:16

Miaow the cat said that. Only the post got deleted because someone clearly took offence to it and reported it.

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