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AIBU?

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Husband vs my parents situation

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bountyicecream · 17/11/2013 17:12

This is something that happened a year ago but we are currently going through marriage counselling and this keeps been brought up. It is clear that the counsellors opinion is with my husband on this and so I'm really questioning whether I'm right at all.

So 18 months ago my husband had a falling out with my parents. 9 months before this situation happened. It was over a trivial thing as these things so often are. Basically my husband felt that I should have supported him when he objected to something ( minor) that my mum was doing with out dd. She was pre- loading the spoons when dd was eating, h felt that dd should be doing it herself ( we were blw). Anyway I didn't think it warranted the rebuke that my h gave to my mum, and so h stormed off as I was 'siding with her'.

During marriage counselling it has become apparent that h feels I have never supported him and have always allowed my parents to influence me. I dispute this as I feel I am v independent. I actually feel I have a much close relationship than many of my friends do with their parents. We only speak every couple of weeks and see each other monthly. I've never been on for discussing personal things with her.

Anyway the big issue came at dd's 2nd birthday party a year ago. I hired a hall and invited 7 other children and their parents plus both sets of grandparents. H's parents didn't come (predictably although I'd have loved them to be there). H refused to come if my parents were there.

My parents agreed to be polite and friendly but not try to discuss any issues or heal the rift in public.

H refused to come unless I uninvited them.

I didn't uninvite my parents. I felt that the party was about dd, not my husband, and that she would love to have her grandparents there.

I counselling h has gone on about how I excluded him from dd's party. I used to reply that he excluded himself as he was always welcome. If my parents had refused to come if h was there then obviously I would have told them not to come. Bt they didn't. They were willing to be friendly for dd's sake.

So this is being trotted out as an example of where I put my secondary family before my primary family. Normally I would say that dads are more important than grandparents and that primary family does come first.

Should I have backed down over this and uninvited my parents. This was the first time I'd ever stood up to my husband. And now he bangs on about it as the thing that has hurt him most ever in his life.

The counsellor just reinforces that primary family is more important than secondary family, which I do agree with, so WIBU here?

Sorry so long

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bountyicecream · 17/11/2013 22:37

kundry maybe I couldn't leave then even if I wanted to :(

Do you think he'd be classed as her primary carer even though she's at nursery on those days? He does collect her, but I get her up in the morning, feed and dress her and take her there. And I do her bath and bed time nearly every night. And I'm the only one who will take her to playdates, toddler group, childrens parties etc

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GobbolinoCat · 17/11/2013 22:37

I do agree with Cake and Kundry.

I think he is being cunning and is positioning himself as main carer and again for whatever reason, he thinks you will ultimately give up on the marriage.

I don't know why he is reacting so badly with your parents, he may be well founded, but I think this new information is worrying and displaying a strength of will and cunning for a long game plan which takes quite a mind to execute and work out.

Mumsyblouse · 17/11/2013 22:38

It's always the same- he inappropriately texts a woman at work, you are not allowed to use Skype to call your own mum. Have you put a ban on him texting ever again without your permission? I guess not.

I think he's isolating you from your family as he knows they will crack at some point and tell you to get out or express concern that you are married to a controlling nasty person.

I agree with Maryz, read your own posts back and imagine that is your friend, or even your dd in twenty years time. What would you say to them? Give it another go, put up with it, or get the hell out? And how would you feel towards a man who treated your good friend or dd that way?

Kundry · 17/11/2013 22:38

And which of you is the most drawn to evangelical Christianity, you or him?

I didn't think Baptists were very fundamentalist, mainly because I wasn't. But a significant number are and have very traditional views about say, male and female roles in decision-making in a marriage. If you go to an evangelical church, this may be even more pronounced. YOur counsellor isn't a counsellor anyway but even worse, he is likely to have an agenda about how a man and woman should behave in marriage which would suit an EA man down to the ground.

Nanny0gg · 17/11/2013 22:39

Bounty, get advice. See a solicitor, so that whatever your decision it is more informed than you are now.

GobbolinoCat · 17/11/2013 22:39

you need proper advice bounty, hopefully you can afford to get some.

ilovesooty · 17/11/2013 22:41

YOur counsellor isn't a counsellor anyway but even worse, he is likely to have an agenda about how a man and woman should behave in marriage which would suit an EA man down to the ground

I agree.

Quoteunquote · 17/11/2013 22:44

Sounds like your parents are doing the best to support you, while you have to put up with a twonk.

He excluded himself from the party , by making some petty disagreement carry on, he stomped off over how to feed a child,

He objects to you not cheer leading this behaviour.

Is there any chance he will have an epiphany and start to behave like a civilised adult, rather than a spoilt child?

Don't allow this person to isolate you from your support network, and stay away from ridiculous counsellors, who give such dodgy advice.

All of this is his problems in his head, which is the only place it can be solved.

But really there are so many red flags going on to , just run.

Noctilucent · 17/11/2013 22:46

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bountyicecream · 17/11/2013 22:47

I can afford to thanks. I will see a solicitor and see where that takes me.

kundry I get confused about fundamental, evangelical and all the other flavours of religion. I was brought up in a (modern) CofE family but with plenty free will. I became a Christian, my sister didn't and AFAIK my parents have never put any pressure on her or anything like that. I don't know if I'm evangelical or what really. Just believe and that is that. Don;t really worry or care about church politics.

H did not grow up in a Christian family. Became a christian at uni (before I met him). Was fiarly involved in the church where we married. (not leadership involved, more socially). This was the onyl church he knew. It is very big, lively etc. Then when we moved away he has struggled to find a church that suits him. (I think comparing all around us to that very large active one that he had belonged to before). So he has gradually fallen away, although still states that he believes.

DOn't know if this is relevant to the situation

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NothingMoreScaryThanAHairy · 17/11/2013 22:48

bloody hell.

Wow he has set himself up very nicely.

I think in the first instance you need to start thinking about seeing a solicitor to work out where you stand with the primary carer issue as he appears to have backed you into a corner.

This relationship is so far away from normal I don't know where to start.

But on your latest post " he has plans to start a small business but does not feel we are strong enough for him to confide in me yet" This is controlling- he gets to stay at home you walk on eggshells to convince him that as a couple you are strong enough, he stays home and on paper is nominally the primary carer of dd. If you leave he (hopes to get) residency. There will never be a time when your relationship "is strong enough" for him to confide and you continue as you are....

Pooka · 17/11/2013 22:49

Could you go and see your parents when you're supposed to be at toddler group? Or ring them on pay phone when you're supposed to be at the gym. or from work - even better.

Let it all out, everything he's said and done. Would they pay for you to get legal advice? That way he need not know money being used. I assume you have joint accounts so can't squirrel money away. I'm also assuming that you cannot talk freely when he's at home. These assumptions are making me feel panicky for you. I think he sounds incredibly controlling (can't tell you about business plans - wtf). I don't trust him. I'm anxious on your behalf.

Mumsyblouse · 17/11/2013 22:50

Bounty- if you do believe, then why not sit quietly and pray? See what comes to your mind.

That and get some legal advice, before him being the home-parent becomes entrenched and you are effectively the breadwinner/WOH parent (which you are now anyway).

bountyicecream · 17/11/2013 22:50

noctilucent but then my conscience starts pricking at me. What right do I have to take DD with me when he's her Dad. How can I appoint myself as the best person to look after DD even though that is what I do believe in my heart. If he took her agaist my will then I would be livid.

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bouncingbelle · 17/11/2013 22:53

Op I can't add any more to what everyone else has said, but seriously - crying over a spoon? Not allowed to skype your own parents? Not prepared to share his business ideas with you whilst it's your wages keeping the family going????

WHY are you with this man and would you want your daughter to mimic his behaviour as she gets older?

Please, please leave this man.

bountyicecream · 17/11/2013 22:53

pooka we actually have seperate accounts as he was concerned when we got married that I was a liabilty to have a joint account with as I once lost my purse and had to get my cards cancelled. So he actually doesnt know what comes in and out of my account. But my parents would help I'm sure.

He has been at home since the end of August. But worked away for 6 months before then (back at weekends)

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Mumsyblouse · 17/11/2013 22:54

If he's a good dad, then he will see your dd and she will stay with him. Just not all the time.

Don't risk losing custody of your own dd due to his extreme manipulation.

If you can't live together, it is better she lives with the more stable, earning, not emotionally abusive parent. This is you. Soon she will be old enough to work out what is going on, or hear the stuff you have mentioned, or wonder why she can't see granny, etc.

ilovesooty · 17/11/2013 22:54

Do you want your daughter growing up believing that this controlling behaviour is normal though?

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bountyicecream · 17/11/2013 22:55

boucingbelle its not as easy as just going as it appears he could legitimately fight for custody of our DD :(

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MrsCakesPremonition · 17/11/2013 22:56

He is already trying to make you "independent" from your parents.
Now he is working on making your DD "independent" from you.

I don't doubt that he adores your DD. But, given how he treats you, do you really trust him to be the most suitable person to raise her? Especially on his own (if that's what it comes to?).

Personally, I think you need to prioritise yourself and your DD.

GobbolinoCat · 17/11/2013 22:58

Bounty,

Dont worry about what might or might not happen until you speak to a solicitor pronto, write down first all your facts etc, and see what they say.

In the mean time, I would arrange proper counselling as I assume you are not going to leave straight away.

NothingMoreScaryThanAHairy · 17/11/2013 22:58

You could if you ended it sooner rather than later (and I don't like telling people to LTB) It could be suggested that him being home was a temporary stop gap to a local job rather than a planned change of primary carer.

If your conscience is pricking you all you have to think is would you like your dd to be so fully controlled and walking on eggshells for the rest of her life. Because that IS undoubtedly how her life will be without you.

BlackberrySeason · 17/11/2013 22:58

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Nanny0gg · 17/11/2013 22:59

What right do I have to take DD with me when he's her Dad.

Because he'll do to her what he's doing to you!