To want to keep my UK passport if Scotland votes YES in the 2014 referendum?

[SittingBull1]

If the majority of people actually voting votes YES in the 2014 referendum, Scotland will leave the UK. As Scots living in Scotland, will my family and I lose our UK passports? Along with a very large number of NO voters, my family and I will want to retain our UK passports, and I'm sure that a huge percentage of the non-voters will also want to keep theirs. I think that the UK government should offer to allow Scots living in Scotland to retain their UK passports. Is that unreasonable?

Tiggy. Who are the we, them and us to which you refer. Why should England be the default? That's the kind of attitude that irritates

However, Fanny. Many of us in Scotland don't actually feel we are being governed by another country. Like a pp, I am as British as I am Scottish, therefore, notwithstanding attitudes like Tiggy's, London is the capital of my country

I am primarily Scottish but I'm happy to be known as as a Brit

They're all pretty strongly left wing parties, FannyFifer. You just have to look back through this thread to see some of the comments about the Conservative Party, or even what newspaper people dare to read, or about Margaret Thatcher. So much intolerance. How radical can supporting the Conservative Party be, when its the current government of our country? But so intolerant are some Scots that if you dared to say such a thing, you would subjected at best to a lecture on how misguided you are. At worst, you would be involved in a fight.

I honestly wonder how many people in Scotland who are lets say more easily led than others vote for parties on the basis of what is seen as socially acceptable more than choice.

And yet if perfectly logical, correctly sourced criticisms are made of one of the parties currently popular in Scotland, again its barely tolerated and you are made to feel like you are crazy.

EH?

Yes I get that, and I used we and us. But I did qualify their use by saying "in Scotland ". What I inferred from Tiggy's post was the notion of being "other", and that if you weren't English, you were a them

But I accept your points and that I may be a bit over sensitive

Karma a and mmwhitewine yes I see your point and don't mean to lump all scots together

This is starting to get complicated

I'm English and British and a citizen of the United Kingdom Of Great Britain And Northern Ireland. I'm very happy to be English. England is my country and despite it's faults I'm pretty proud of it. My country is in a union with several other countries, which I believe is a good thing for all those involved, so I'm very happy to be British.
I say us and we to mean England because I'm English in the same way as Scots say us and we to mean Scotland. Scotland and England (and Wales) are both countries full of nice people and nice things and nice animals and nice shops and nice cultures apart from Bagpipes and morris dancing.

Yay for Tiggy. I agree with you.

Is there anything wrong with the majority of the parties that have support in Scotland being left wing? I thought that was called democracy

There is nothing wrong per se with not liking the Conservatives.

and FWIW I have a brilliant Vonservative councillor - the only one in the council - who does such a good job that I have voted for him even though he doesn't reflect my "usual" politics; and I despair of the fact that monkeys in red rosettes get voted for

Can't help thinking this is more about Alex Salmond than anything. Still according to the White Paper he will grant the Scots the right to continue watching Eastenders! Some people will do anything for power.

Prettybird Is there anything wrong with the majority of the parties that have support in Scotland being left wing? hmm I thought that was called democracy confusedconfused There is nothing wrong per se with not liking the Conservatives

With all due respect, that isn't what I was discussing. I was discussing lack of political tolerance in Scotland. Not the majority political preference.

I'm not actually that convinced Scotland is all that left wing anyway. The party names may be traditionally left wing, but the way people behave is more centre-liberal with strong left wing tendencies in the former industrial areas and conservative tendencies in the more rural areas.

But of course what people do and what people say is sometimes different in Scots culture. ie its not like Dutch culture, where people say exactly what they think, but are also very tolerant.

Can't help thinking this is more about Alex Salmond than anything. Still according to the White Paper he will grant the Scots the right to continue watching Eastenders! Some people will do anything for power

Was it the first or second series of Downton Abbey Scots weren't permitted to see? And was the reason given that Scots wouldn't be interested in watching the traditions of the English upper class serialised? I remember around that time there was a particularly scraping the bottom of the barrel-esque dose of "10 Greatest Scottish" programmes in the Downton Abbey slot.

Lucky [scots] being spared the dirge that is downtown abbey

Hi,

The Passport Issue:

YOU WILL NOT lose your British passport in the event of a Yes vote.

International law provides that you cannot be deprived of your citizenship.

You can take dual nationality and be granted a Scottish passport and retain your UK passport or you can take up a Scottish passport and give up your British passport. The choice is entirely yours.

The EU Issue:

ONLY the government of member states of the EU can seek clarification on points of EU law. The UK Government can ask the EU now whether Scotland will retain membership in the event of independence.

However, the UK refuse to do so and claim the Scottish Government should seek legal guidance instead.

It is IMPOSSIBLE for the Scottish Government to seek the necessary legal clarification on this point from the EU. Any attempt to suggest otherwise by Westminster politicians is a blatant lie and shows the contempt with which they hold all the people of Scotland.

Trust in your own intelligence and ability to uncover the truth of the argument (we live in the information sharing age for gods sake!) and you can find these facts out with a little research.

Saying both sides are as bad as each other is lazy and incorrect.