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To expect the school to do something about ds being laughed at for wearing a Hello Kitty onsie?

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lecce · 16/11/2013 08:42

He is 4 and wore it yesterday for Children in Need. The bloody thing is mainly white, and, for that reason mainly, I had tried to steer him in the direction of others, but he was adamant that was the one he wanted. He already has a plain pink lunchbox and pink Peppa Pig wellies and tells me he has had the odd comment about these being 'for girls', but he insists he doesn't mind. He is very shy but tells me he has told these children, 'Pink isn't just for girls!', though I do find it hard to imagine him saying this to a child he doesn't know well.

This morning he tells me that yesterday a few children laughed at him so he took off the onsie and spent most of the day in pyjamas. He had no dressing gown or slippers, as the onsie had covered feet, and tells me he was cold. He had to put the onsie back on to play out at lunchtime and more children laughed at him then. He has named two children from his class as being the main laughers when he was inside the school. He is 4, ffs. Why can't he wear what he likes? However, he does not really seem upset as such, and he says he didn't tell the teacher what was going on.

I am annoyed because the teachers didn't seem to be aware of what was going on. I know they can't help it if he doesn't tell them, but they should have been aware, imo, if the comments were enough to make him want to take it off. He is very happy with his wellies and lunchbox, so I feel there must have been quite a lot of comments this time. I teach in a secondary school and, of course, sometimes things like this go on without the teacher being aware, but I am sure 4 yr olds are a lot less subtle than teens! Also, I would expect a parent to bring something like this to my attention if I didn't notice it myself.

I am also a bit annoyed, though less so, that they didn't contact dh (they know he is a sahd) to bring in an alternative for him, to save him being cold and having a miserable lunchtime. I just feel that ds has had a bit of a pants day, when it should have been fun and he was so pleased with the onsie, and that I should do something about it.

On a similar topic, ds2 (yr2) tells me he regularly has, what he calls, 'mean comments' about his packed lunches - especially the fruit and Greek yogurt. He is capabale of standing up for himself, but says it's getting 'annoying'. I'm starting to feel this should be addressed too.

Dh thinks I'm being silly, but is starting to come around the more I go on. Tbh, though, I can't rely on him having a quick word with the teacher about this, as he will probably 'forget', so, if we do raise it, it will be me who does so, making it more formal as I will have to make an appointment.

AIBU to think it worth mentioning these issues, and to think that part of the role of primary school is to encourage kindness and tolerance amongst pupils?

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Canthisonebeused · 16/11/2013 19:16

Oh and mrtumble says it is a normal developmental stage.

Paleodad · 16/11/2013 19:39

the amazing thing mrtumbles is that some adults don't seem to move past this developmental stage, and think that colours/cartoon characters are still markers of gender.

OrlandoWoolf · 16/11/2013 19:40

It is sad for boys that if they do happen to like stuff more commonly associated with girls, then they get picked on at any age because society has a very strong message that it is wrong for boys to like "girl" stuff.

missmapp · 16/11/2013 19:52

This thread is so depressing.

In my Yr6 class on Friday, one boy wore a pink and orange onesie- he was cheered as he entered the classroom and I caught a few boys ( who all seemed to be wearing the same grey/brown style one) shooting him jealous glances. he was confident, happy and stood out from the crowd.

The kind of thing I would wish for my son!

MrTumblesBavarianFanbase · 16/11/2013 19:56

Paleo that may be true but the kids in this instance were 4, so were probably not raging bullies and their behaviour may or may not be an indicator of parental attitudes at home, they were just acting their (very young) age.

I find it surprising that there is an air of approval of the posters who have said they tell their children that the others are "stupid" in this context.

MrTumblesBavarianFanbase · 16/11/2013 19:59

Missmap but he was 10! You must see its not the same! 10 year olds are a world away from 4 year olds, and should indeed be capable of respecting individuality.

Also would they have cheered if it had been Hello Kitty? (Which is not just a bit of pink on a white background as some disingeniuosly suggest, but symbolic of sickly sweet cutesyness)? ;)

lecce · 16/11/2013 20:05

MrTumbles I certainly don't condone calling children 'stupid' or 'dim' and neither do I even think of the children concerned in that way. I just believe they need more guidance on this issue and hope their teacher turns out to be like MrsPoirot above!

As for my calling Lazyjaney moronic, well, I shouldn't have, but her tone to me hasn't been the politest and I did find the adult-ds-goes-to-work-in-a-onesie scenario silly, but, I shouldn't have used insulting terms, so I'm sorry for that. Still, I don't think the comparison you've drawn bears much scrutiny. On here, we are all adults who have chosen to post on a board with a reputation for being 'tough'. Ds had gone to school - something about which he has no choice.

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missmapp · 16/11/2013 20:08

But they learnt their respect of individuality from the age of 4 ( if not earlier) . It doesn't just happen when they are 10.

Yes, it would have been easier for the op to persuade her ds to wear a different onsie- but easy is rarely the best route in life.

MisguidedHamwidge · 16/11/2013 20:11

OP - why on earth are you planning to send him to the Christmas party in a princess dress?!

I don't think that it is about your DS at all, it is about you. You might say he is 'choosing' but at 4, that's simply not true.

My eight year old DS wants his hair shaved into a Mohican style and dyed red. He asks for this on a regular basis. I say no and tell him he have his hair like that when he is 16, if he still wants it Grin. I am not crushing his individuality, I am simply applying a bit of common sense because I am his mother.

You are the one buying your son pink lunch boxes abs princess dresses.

Paleodad · 16/11/2013 20:19

agree tumbles, none of my posts have made any judgement on other children, and if it seemed implied, i can assure you it wasn't.

misguided my DS regularly decides to wear his big sisters dresses, both at home and sometimes if we are going out. Are you saying i should stop him? Why?

Paleodad · 16/11/2013 20:21

And if my DS wants a pink lunchbox, or a princess dress for xmas or whatever, are you saying that we should say no as they are only for girls?

MrTumblesBavarianFanbase · 16/11/2013 20:25

missmap maybe... but developmentally they probably aren't really there at 4 (on average). Its really a bit young to be pushing the point. Not that it shouldn't be gently addressed once the teasing has happened, but I stand by the opinion that at 4 lycee should used her parent veto to protect her son, without suggesting the was anything wrong with what he likes it would have been easy to say the white will get too dirty.

I still maintain he and his peers are too young to be mature about this :o

MisguidedHamwidge · 16/11/2013 20:26

palodad - if your child doesn't get upset if other children comment & you are not upset if other children comment, then there is no reason to want to stop him. However, the OP's child is upset if other children tease him about wearing clothing marketed at little girls & the OP is also upset by this. So, sending him to a school party in a princess dress (which the OP just "knows" he will want to wear) is a ridiculous idea.

5madthings · 16/11/2013 20:26

my ds3 has worn a pink silk party dress to school, it was a gift from a friend for our fancy dress box, ditto his two fairy outfits he has tinkerbell and the one that wears purple 'vidiya'? i think that fairy is called. he asked for them and wore them happily.

when he grew out of the pink dress he chose a purple tutu from h&m. he wore it over jeans with a purple t-shirt, again his choice. he was 7 at the time.

he is now almost 9 and still likes fairies

MrsDeVere · 16/11/2013 20:27

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5madthings · 16/11/2013 20:29

ptessed post too soon .. still likes fairies and all things sparkly as well as minecraft, lego and various other stuff.

we bought stuff that he asked for. just like ds4 asked for a captain america costume and dd is getting dinosaurs and train track for her bday next mth.

its only boys who are told they cant have girly stuff...

FrauMoose · 16/11/2013 20:29

PSHE for Key Stage 1 includes

Developing good relationships and respecting the differences between people

  1. Pupils should be taught:
a. to recognise how their behaviour affects other people b. to listen to other people, and play and work cooperatively c. to identify and respect the differences and similarities between people d. that family and friends should care for each other e. that there are different types of teasing and bullying, that bullying is wrong, and how to get help to deal with bullying.

So I think it's important to learn that on non-uniform days different children will make different choices, and that these choices should be treated with care and respect. Children might be asked to reflect on whether 'teasing' somebody about the choice they've made could cause distress and whether persisting in such behaviour could be seen as bullying.

If you link this in to looking at other choices of clothing - kilts, veils, turbans, girls wearing trousers - lots of learning could be done.

noblegiraffe · 16/11/2013 20:33

Labelling any child or person as stupid, for whatever reason, is not a good idea.

Describing the behaviour as stupid (or a nicer choice might be silly) would be better.

Or do you want your child to turn to another child and call them stupid?

ll31 · 16/11/2013 20:36

Fair play to you Mrs dv. I have to say id have erred on side of protecting ops son from nasTy comments by encouraging something else. And I think you're prob the better person for it ..

lecce · 16/11/2013 20:38

Yes, good point about older siblings. We all went to the shops together to buy the dc a onesie each. Ds1 goes for a tiger one (he would have loved a David Attenborough one, but they don't exist Grin). Fine. Ds2 goes for HK. Not fine. How does that work? Had I insisted on white being too impractical, as I half -heartedly did, for that reason, not as a ruse, he would have gone for some of the shocking pink ones out there. He would never have been happy with any of the 'boys'' ones as he's not into any of that stuff. How can I let one child have their choice and not the other?

I'm not planning to send him to the party in a princess dress, I just know he will want to wear it, as I know that ds1 will want to wear his top with the roaring hippo on it. It's what they're into.

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Mumsyblouse · 16/11/2013 20:39

I think the school should use this as an opportunity to teach about respecting other's choices- that's how my dd's school did it, and certainly there were many children who could have been teased but in the main weren't say ages 5-8. However, there is a limit, even within a very tolerant and active school within this in that they can't control what the other children say and most children will end up experiencing the odd comment if they do something outside of social norms, so my dd got a comment about wearing a babyish hat this week (she's 8). Not nice but not worth going in over for me at least.

lecce · 16/11/2013 20:40

Do hippos roar? Maybe it's yawning...

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MrsDeVere · 16/11/2013 20:44

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Pearlsaplenty · 16/11/2013 20:48

Op yanbu the school should definitely have said something to the children who were teasing. And the school should've phoned you when he was cold so you could've brought in warm clothes. Is is only 4, so they should have noticed this was a problem and phoned you.

About the princess dress, I don't understand why you won't remind him about what happened with the onesie in an attempt to get him to wear something different. I wouldn't be comfortable sending my ds in a princess dress if I knew there was a good chance he would be teased again. You are going to discuss this with him aren't you?

lecce · 16/11/2013 20:51

Yes, of course I am. I really don't think it'll change his mind, though. He doesn't seem to care what people think and, as someone who has wasted a lot of time worrying about what others think, I see this as a good thing to be encouraged.

I would think it fair to say this incident has upset me more than him. His account of it was matter-of-fact.

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