Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to defriend someone for actually using the word 'discusted'?

187 replies

LoopaDaLoopa · 10/11/2013 12:24

In all seriousness. For real. She actually wrote that on her status.

Surely, not unreasonable to defriend?

OP posts:
misspontypine · 15/11/2013 17:21

It is all very well saying the negitive comments are not aimed at dyslexic people but it sounds like you assume that if a friend was dyslexic you would know. 1 in 10 people are dyslexic, many people don't tell their friends as it is quite frankly not very interesting.

I would think a good place to start is to assume that a person with terrible spelling is either dyslexic, had issues at school, is bad at typing and don't assume that person is being willfully stupid, what a strage thing to say.

I have never seen anyone post something willfully stupid on facebook, I have seen people post things I disagree with, but perhaps I didn't pick up on their incorrect spelling.

SharpLily · 15/11/2013 18:03

I have never seen anyone post something willfully stupid on facebook

Are you serious? Facebook is famous for that sort of thing. As if I don't see enough of it on my own news feed, there are regular Mumsnet posts telling us about it.

misspontypine · 15/11/2013 18:18

My friends are interesting witty people, I wouldn't become friends with someone who I didn't enjoy spending time with and I don't think people I like are stupid.

TheWomanTheyCallJayne · 15/11/2013 18:23

I only tend to correct my closest friends or my brother. Very much done in a wind up way. Apparently my mum still does it to her sister Grin

TheWomanTheyCallJayne · 15/11/2013 18:27

And my DH! His spelling is atrocious and he's not dyslexic. We had a conversation recently where I pointed out he had used bazaar rather than bizarre on a fb post. He said none of his friends cared and no one would say anything. Really quickly, from a friend of his came a post pointing it out.
He's gone back to running things past me when he's not sure.

perfectstorm · 15/11/2013 19:30

I think that's a different argument and far more about class, and also one that positive discrimination and hideous 'quotas' have changed the parameters of hugely.

With the exception of all women shortlists for MPs it would be difficult to have quotas/positive discrimination, as the legislation is symmetrical and therefore any such action is unlawful. It doesn't benefit women or ethnic minorities any more than white people, except that there tend to be more instances of discrimination against them. I was taught that the first ever case under one of the sex discrimination Acts was brought by a man, who won. Since the 2010 Equality Act it's apparently been possible to choose a minority/underrepresented candidate on that basis if and only if two candidates are of equal merit, but that's a long way from positive discrimination/quotas - it just recognises that altering cultural biases take new role models and a widened pool of employees/managers in more senior roles. All the law change did did was make that practice lawful if it was one an employer wanted to use; it didn't mandate the practice. The idea that we are "awash with PC nonsense and positive discrimination" is a myth - a very convenient one, for certain groups.

I agree abuse can affect all classes, and that middle class kids are in some ways less protected because it's a lot easier, seemingly, for the social services to overlook such abuse if the parents are middle class. But it's compounding the harm when the victim is also poor, because they miss out educationally, possibly nutritionally and also very possibly culturally. Enriched lives cost money, or at least the sort of cultural capital that is a legacy of parents/grandparents with money. Intersectionality, basically. There will always be exceptions to any general rule (my DH is one such grammar-school educated example - immigrants on one side of the family, the Doncaster area mines on the other), but that doesn't invalidate the principle as being the norm, either. You also talk about your terrible school, which I accept, but then mention your parents were well off. Presumably, they were literate themselves? That's cultural capital, and pretty valuable to a child, whatever their clear failings in other areas.

LiberalPedant, I think it's snobbery. A socially acceptable form, because it's ostensibly about smarts and effort and not social class background, despite literacy being so clearly linked as a rule of thumb. Critical thinking skills are a whole 'nother story in my experience, but simple illiteracy is rare amongst neurotypical middle class kids. And it interests me that there's a divide between acronyms (fine) and txt speech (not fine). I mean, people here would be appalled by someone posting using phone txt abbreviations, while blithely referring to DTD, DD, LTB, YANBU themselves. Truncated forms of language are truncated forms of language, surely? Someone told me recently that txt speech became socially unacceptable amongst educated young people shortly after predictive texting arrived, but wasn't yet anything like universal. In effect, txt speak for that brief window of a generation indicated an inability to afford a fancy handset. I've no idea whether that's based on research, but it's an interesting point, and similarly, acronyms are frequently used in a professional context, which perhaps promotes social acceptibility. People abhor "hun" here, while happily referring to their "darling daughter" as "DD". Not much to choose between them, surely?

It's also interesting: I frequently see very literate people wail, "My maths is terrible! I count on my fingers!" and nobody thinks anything of it. I can't imagine those same people saying, "My English is terrible! I can barely read!" There isn't anything like the same judgement attached to numeracy. I'm not sure why.

TheWomanTheyCallJayne · 15/11/2013 19:46

I get fed up with those who make out being crap at maths is a thing to boast of too.
Make an effort, if you don't know then ask but don't pretend that not being good is cool in some way.

LEMisafucker · 15/11/2013 19:54

Some people can't spell - get over it

LiberalPedant · 15/11/2013 21:06

And English is a difficult language. Someone upthread mentioned "payed" for "paid." Most verbs in English are regular verbs and form the past tense by adding "ed." So making that mistake is not uncommon. Then there are all the potentially confounding homophones, heterographs, etc. Speaking and writing English can be a minefield, even for better educated and more fluent people.

SharpLily · 16/11/2013 08:12

I'm afraid what I really object to is the wider picture. Stupidity is all too often not a consequence of lack of intelligence or education but an attitude. One of the same friends I see talking about her 'gawjus lil man' on Facebook has never bothered reading to her children or encouraging them to read, instead telling them that 'books are boring', instead making sure they are supplied with every games console on the market and TV screens in every room. She also says that when her kids are older she'll be putting her son's name on her council house but not her daughter's - because apparently she can get pregnant and get a council house of her own! Her nine year old can barely communicate, but he can complete GTA V Hmm. There's no shortage of money in the household but there's certainly poverty of a kind.

In another example, I was once the manager of a particularly annoying lad in a position of some responsibility. His education was not very different to my own but he was lazy, careless and inordinately proud of his 'working class boy done good in the city' status. The thing is, a large part of our work involved communication with foreign departments and his communications made no sense to them whatsoever (in the same vein he refused to modify his broad accent and incomprehensible dialect when dealing with foreign clients face to face, so we had to run around after him translating his 'English' into English). He insisted it wasn't his fault his literacy skills were poor and of course I wasn't allowed to fire him, penalise him or even reassign his work because that would be politically incorrect (American company). Right on. Except his slapdash attitude meant that everyone else had to spend their time fixing these cock ups and rewriting his work and that our company looked very unprofessional. The best I could do was tell him to get a grip, find a dictionary and show a bit of fucking pride.

My literacy challenged husband doesn't leave his emails to stand uncorrected to show that he may not have had the same educational opportunities as someone else. He asks me to correct them - because he has some self respect.

In another example, a friend (and all credit to her) is doing some very intense retraining to become a nurse. She laughs at my anal retentiveness in these areas and sustains that spelling doesn't matter. She thinks it doesn't matter that she spells or reads the names of medications wrong because "they'll know what I mean"!

So no, not everyone is naturally literate or well read but I really don't see that there's anything to celebrate in that. When I do something badly I don't decide it doesn't matter, I try and improve it. By telling people it doesn't matter that they don't care, the old fashioned concept of taking pride in doing a job well is being sacrificed on the altar of political correctness. I think that's a slippery slope.

Sorry, long rant over!

Writerwannabe83 · 16/11/2013 08:33

My friend just updated her status: "cant't find my car keys! I think I'm loosing my marbles!!" Hmm

Another bug bear of mine Grin

Gruntfuttock · 16/11/2013 09:40

SharpLily "In another example, a friend (and all credit to her) is doing some very intense retraining to become a nurse. She laughs at my anal retentiveness in these areas and sustains that spelling doesn't matter. She thinks it doesn't matter that she spells or reads the names of medications wrong because "they'll know what I mean"!"

That is very frightening. The potential consequences are catastrophic. You can't have that kind of attitude in that job! Also, she says "They'll know what I mean" but if she reads medications wrongly she won't "know what they mean". How can she possibly think it doesn't matter?

Lazysuzanne · 16/11/2013 11:08

She may think it doesn't matter but it makes her look unintelligent and slapdash.

Ultimately surely she will lose out to people who realize the important of making a good impression.

SharpLily · 16/11/2013 11:33

She's doing very well on her course. Frightens the hell out of me.

Lazysuzanne · 16/11/2013 11:45

SharpLily, are you suggesting that in truth, most people in most walks of life just don't care about this sort of thing.

Conscientiousness and precision genuinely don't matter any more?

SharpLily · 16/11/2013 12:10

No, I don't mean to make sweeping statements as there are exceptions all over the place and this thread seems fairly evenly split between those who think these things don't matter and those who do. However in my personal experience there is a creeping, insidious dumbing down and 'it doesn't matter how people spell things' is only the thin end of the wedge. It does disturb me and I can honestly say I can't universally apply the class stereotypes that have been suggested as the root of the problem here.

Lazysuzanne · 16/11/2013 12:31

Re dumbing down, I can easily go down a conspiracy theory route with that one. ..as in the interests of those in power are not best served if the 'masses' are highly educated and able to think for themselves.

Bread and circuses and all that. ..

SharpLily · 16/11/2013 12:36
Grin
CarmonEileen · 16/11/2013 12:41

Yesterday I saw.. It wo proba mad, scarred mi shitless. WTAF?

Lazysuzanne · 16/11/2013 12:48

We are of course all now just fodder for the multinationals

distracted by trivia whilst facebook sucks up our data and sells it on to other companies so that they can fine tune their advertising campaigns and extract maximum profit from us

Writerwannabe83 · 16/11/2013 12:49

Scarred and scared..... That drives me mad!!

A woman I know has just posted a picture of her new shoes on facebook and has added underneath it: I love me new shoes but I'm going to return them tho as there to small" Hmm

Lazysuzanne · 16/11/2013 12:51

If I knew people like that I'd be reluctant to admit it

Writerwannabe83 · 16/11/2013 12:53

Hahaha Grin

Lazysuzanne · 16/11/2013 13:05

On the other hand perhaps these people write and speak with perfect grammar when occasion demands?

Perhaps the ad-hoc spelling is just a way of indicating informality, we are now off duty so anything goes?

Because there's no body language on the net we look for other ways to give flavour to the occasion?

SharpLily · 16/11/2013 13:11

Lazy, I love to give people the benefit of the doubt too, but we both know that's only happening a small fraction of the time.

Swipe left for the next trending thread