to be concerned re. what is going on re. immigration and population growth?

[ClarityJane]

So many non-English voices, especially East Europeans, but so many different nationalities en masse it seems have moved here in the last 10-20 years - completely unprecedented historically. And in an already very over-crowded island.

Today I read Labour MP Frank Field say that the population increase due to immigration by 2031, i.e. less than 20 years, will be approximately 10 million and will require building something like seven new Birminghams! Or another London! Based on latest predictions in the papers today anyway.

Did Blair and Mandelson envisage this when they signed up for European Community rules on immigration and refugees? Or did they cynically not care because it meant cheap labour, cheap votes, increased profits (via membership of the European Community).

Did the architects of this policy not consider how it would affect housing, jobs and education and the resulting massive investment needed there, and the over-crowded population we have already.

I believe we have never been consulted or told anything honestly about what the consequences of EC membership was immigration-wise, if indeed there was ever any plan (doesn't seem to be, just a kind of opportunistic carpetbaggers philosophy approach of selling England by the pound).

I feel deceived and hoodwinked really. But are there any more positive thoughts on this? I find it v. depressing.

You think the other posters on here were being nasty for pulling them up on having Ill-Informed views on Immigration? If the OP & a couple of others wanted a reasonable debate on Immigration maybe they should steer clear of words such as 'so many non-English voices' and 'people nicking our Jobs,Benefits and our houses!'.

Yabu.

. It's because they are not the same! We can't have them overiding our Tiny little Island!

My card is full!

YouTheCat I've got two full houses now! (One full of Bulgarians the other Romanians).

lmao

Sorry YouTheCat in the spirit of the thread I had to do that. I thought I had heard some bonkers views before but the pooing in the park bit? MNHQ please don't delete this thread. Move it to classics and rename it a million myths about immigration or something. :)

Now see. Ive just thought of a flip side. There are some beaches near me that are favoured by our eastern European friends. I like to go to these beaches and pretend like im on holiday abroad.

Me too, MrsD, here in the Utopia that is Ilford :o

Mind you, I'm a horrible racist against white people so what do I know? No-one poos in our parks. I'm beginning to feel hard done by.

stop oppressing me lovecat I have to climb down of my high horse to go to the utpoia of Birmingham

Do you live in la la land Misspixie. Go to inner city London. The housing crisis has all to do with immigration.

mylovelyboy

I live in inner London (I can walk to Marble Arch in 20 min). The housing problem isn't due to immigration unless you mean Russian Oligarchs pushing up the prices in the centre. The problem is due to sky high property prices so few people can buy leading to very high rents and a shortage of social housing. That is not down to your average Latvian plumber moving her. It might have something to do with the sell off of council properties a couple of decades ago.

It may be that people have different views on this depending on where they live.

Racism isn't a matter of geography.

Also, good morning! This is still going, how lovely. I'm not quite up to the barrage of expletives I was managing last night. Oh well.

:o MrsD Glad to see you're spelling it rite.

I think we whites should all get back to where we come from

Dolcelatte - posters like me have given positives, but the OP didn't want to hear them. I'm afraid that she lied when she said that was what she wanted to hear.

I'm concerned too. I don't want to see a massive hike in population so think we should ship out the lazy fuckers who see being unemployed as a lifestyle choice and embrace the wonderful hardworking folk from overseas who bring economic and cultural improvements.

Am pleased this is still here I like that the thread is 99% showing up the racists for what they are (opens spreadsheet)

Broken soul made sense; something of that loss, sense of unease i was trying to articulate re. new levels of immigration and how its nature has changed from earlier times, as she says. My dear 83 year old neighbour is surrounded my foreigners. He's not a racist but is naturally bewildered by this, and has no-one to talk to. Nobody has mentioned either where extra 10 million people are going to be housed and there is already a massive housing crisis (which I am severely affected by already).

Nothing much was achieved by this thread in the end I suppose, and sorry to see it descend into denial and insults. I still think Blair etc alot to answer for on this issue. But I think now we have to move on positively and hope things get better. Shall we leave it there folks.

I didn't mean that pur.
Just that maybe if you live in an area with inadequate housing and a shortage of school places for example, you may, probably wrongly, blame immigration.
This person may feel differently to someone who doesn't experience these things.

You don't get to unleash this and then draw a line under it, Op, sorry.

No lets not! The insults are coming because your posts are offensive. My 76 year old mothers neighbours are foreign. They have a strong sense of community and often send round meals for her. So your argument doest stand. I know that you are scared but once you get past that you may just be able to see the benefit of diversity.

Bod, but it's still a social issue. If it is, on a superficial level, a geographical issue, it's because an area is deprived and levels of decent education and employment are critically low, and beliefs that blame any particular group for misfortune flourish in areas of ignorance. We've seen it throughout history. I believe it is still legal to shoot a Jew with a bow and arrow on a Friday in York, for instance. We have persecuted ourselves throughout history. It has happened everywhere.