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AIBU?

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to think BIL is a cheeky bugger and a chip off the old block?

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JackSparrow · 05/11/2013 10:47

There is a lot of back story here, so this could be long, sorry.

My PIL are toxic. Pretty hideous stuff, and I have no contact with them. The dc haven't seen them for about 4 years, i think, apart from the odd brief chat on Skype (has maybe happened 3 times in total), following a huge row at their golden wedding celebration (when I say at, I mean around the time, not brawling at the actual party!)

So, earlier this year, PIL started making noises about MIL's 80th birthday next Easter. Apparently she has never had a big birthday bash (FIL has had several), and FIL thought it would be nice for her to have a party. So far so good.

Of course, it isn't that easy, and to cut a long story short, FIL wanted dh and his brothers to pay for the party. It is their duty apparently Hmm. Not just any party, mind you, but she wanted a long weekend in London, at a private club, with relatives/friends flown over from Europe (at dh's/BIL's expense Hmm), put up at the club, formal dinner, plus sightseeing tours and experiences (and other meals obviously). Stupid amount of money that we don't have to spare. To top it all off, when dh and I mentioned that this didn't really suit our family (we have 5 dc between us, 2 learning disabled, the other 3 too young to enjoy this kind of weekend, so not suitable for any of them - they make up a third of the grandchildren), and suggested a couple of alterations to make it bearable (theatre instead of one activity, afternoon tea at the Ritz/other posh hotel instead of one of the formal meals), FIL threw his toys out of the pram, said it was his way or no way at all, and that it wasn't about our children (true, but who did he want to pay? ah yes, us.). Cue MIL phoning us up, crying lots about us spoiling it all, saying she would have to see 'our lot' another weekend (she has never met our youngest child, and is showing no inclination to want to do so), and still expecting dh to foot a third of the bill, despite only him being able to attend.

Anyway, another big-ish row followed, and the upshot was that the party was cancelled (or at least stopped being discussed openly).

This weekend we received an email from BIL (dh's older brother, not the closest of relationships, but cordial enough at the moment).

He is proposing the following:

At some point next summer (a date conveniently coinciding with a big birthday of his Hmm), the family should:

have a Thursday/Friday in London - dinner, theatre for whoever wants to go (ostensibly to celebrate MIL's birthday 3 months earlier)
then everyone back to theirs (huge house) on the Friday, for a formal dinner for MIL's birthday (marquee in garden, for 20 max, apparently - this is odd, as with all brothers and grandchildren, numbers reach 18, so presumably just family - why the marquee?)

On Saturday a BBQ, and local circus for those who want to.

Then, andthis is the bit where I immediately thought 'cheeky sod' - Saturday night, a party for around 100, in the marquee, to celebrate BIL's birthday.

BIL wants the costs shared, as it is for MIL too.

AIBU to think that BIL has just tacked on the bits for MIL (considering family would be there anyway if he had a party on the Saturday), mentioned the circus etc to make it seem like a weekend of events, when in fact he wants everyone else to stump up for his birthday party? He is just as bad as PIL, isn't he? (well, to be fair, he hasn't actively banned young children, and has considered them in his plan, so not quite as bad). He has been upfront and said he can't afford a party by himself, so won;t have one if we don't agree to share costs, but I am still left with thinking 'why would we pay for this?'

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EldritchCleavage · 05/11/2013 14:23

Very sad. I really think neither you nor the children should go though. Don't be the fig leaf masking the bleak reality of this arrangement.

Wibblypiglikesbananas · 05/11/2013 14:25

Very odd! I'm sorry if I've missed it, but is there a cultural difference that would dictate contributions from different family members in there somewhere? Otherwise, I don't understand the bizarre sense of entitlement!

Since having DC, in any situation seemingly requiring unnecessary financial outlay, I always consider whether I'd like that cash to go to the DCs' university/house deposit funds or on something else. The DCs always win. Could your DH look at it from this POV perhaps? From what you've said, you'd be talking a fairly large amount of money upfront if flights and so on are involved. Personally, I'd rather put £1000 or whatever it might be into each child's savings.

toffeesponge · 05/11/2013 14:27

Your money is good enough but your company isn't, your children aren't.

JackSparrow · 05/11/2013 14:31

ohshitimlate:

they were abusive to dh's son (my stepson). verbally abusive, and FIL came very close to hitting him. dss was 16 at the time, and had done nothing wrong (and was, in fact, on their doorstep to apologise for something trivial dh had done - dss hopped out of the car with wine, flowers and chocs while dh turned the car around to park. by the time dh got there too, FIL was about to hit dss before dh stepped in). they are not welcome in my house until FIL can apologise to dss for the way he treated him. FIL refuses to acknowledge that he was in the wrong in any way, and since I have a disabled child who is a LOT of work (and can be very irritating at times) I will not risk similar happening in an offguarded moment to any of my children. dh feels the same.

I had cut off parts of my family for completely unrelated reasons, ong before I met dh. my father was a controlling drunk, who I stopped seeing as soon as he couldn't blame it on my mother (parents divorced). my brother is no contact partly on his own terms, but is a thief and a liar who is not welcome into my house any longer (due to past experience). I am happy to see him elsewhere, but he has taken offence that I no longer trust him Hmm Hmm

their family assume that dh chips into stuff. it is a long-running joke that if dh meets his brother for lunch, then his brother will invariably have 'forgotten' his wallet. his parents have form for inviting people out to dinner, and then sitting back when the bill arrives expecting to be 'treated' (in my family, the standard rule is that whoever invites pays the bill, or be upfront from the start that it is a 'meet on the day, pay for who goes accordingly' type affair).

we wouldn't do the original plans because dh didn't want to play 'rent-a-friend' for all the europe lot, and didn't want to pay for a 'family' gathering that his family couldn't attend (emphasis on family coming form MIl until it was pointed out she meant some family)

new plans aren't particularly child friendly either, apart from the circus bit on the Saturday. All well and good, nobody has to have a child friendly party. I do think in all decency, if you expect someone to pay a large part of the bill, then you shoudl ensure their family can attend.

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StrangeGlue · 05/11/2013 14:32

They want more from you than some people pay on their weddings! If you have a party you pay - end of. You don't tell others to chip in to something they wouldn't choose to do.

Cheeky guys

ohshitimlate · 05/11/2013 14:39

That would do it.

YANBU

diddl · 05/11/2013 14:44

"they were abusive to dh's son (my stepson). verbally abusive, and FIL came very close to hitting him."

And yet he still wants their approval.

How sad for his son.

LoopaDaLoopa · 05/11/2013 14:44

Oh my word, just say NO. And tell DH if he does, it is well without your blessing. This is madness.

Or, write a list of the extravagant upcoming birthdays you have planned for your kids. All of them. And cost them out. Grin

Tinlegs · 05/11/2013 15:20

Sorry, I can see that you are saying NO. Very hard when your DH is inclined differently, as I was with my sister's cottage booking.

Why don't you offer (say) £500 as a contribution towards the party and explain that with school fees and treatments etc that is as much as you can afford? Your finances are nobody's business and they should not be, effectively, spending your money for you, as my sister was for me.

Or, for example, pay for the wine or the food (not both) for the Friday night (they can do marquee etc) and then say how much you are looking forward to the BiL's party on the Saturday. Where will he be getting his wine from? What food will he be buying? It is just that you don't want to do the same thing.

And then turn up with a couple of cases of wine.

namechangeno1 · 05/11/2013 16:18

'new plans aren't particularly child friendly either, apart from the circus bit on the Saturday.'
I'm afraid it all sounds like a circus to me!
What grown adult needs all these things to celebrate a birthday? They clearly have to be the centre of attention, which is fine, but not at someone else's expense.
I do hope your DH can say no, as I fear you might resent it for many years to come.......

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BOF · 05/11/2013 17:46

Yes, whatever he does, he will be wrong. So he might as well be wrong and still have some money.

PTFO · 05/11/2013 17:47

OH MY GOD. your inlaws and BIL must be one and the same as mine!!!! My BIL even said that to me- basically agrees but would have said it better/handled to his parents! mmm that's cos you ARE a chip off the old block.

now this is want you need to tell them. fuck off to the far side of fuck and fuck your self sideways and backwards and fuck off some more. cheeky, grabby, selfish, self centred fuckers.
Im tempted to say agree to it all, tell them to go to town, dh will pay for it all.....and then go uncontactable/NC/bankrupt story/lost job, leave them to foot the actual bill.

YesterdayI · 05/11/2013 17:53

I think the idea of offering something like £500 to your MIL for her birthday with the proviso that she can choose to spend it on her party is best way to go. The right thing to do would be to tell them to all take a hike but as your DH feels guilty then this might appease him. IYSWIM . No way should you get roped into agreeing to pay for unknown costs.

Then leave everything to your BIL owns MIL to sort out. I would suggest your DH attends the party but you and the kids give it a miss.

diddl · 05/11/2013 17:56

500GPB?

Bloody hell-that's a hell of a lot to me.

Would certainly have people thinking that we're minted!

PTFO · 05/11/2013 18:10

no way would I pay a penny... £500!! clearly op needs this more than mil needs a bloody party! Does MIL deserve such a party- NO. Would MIL/BIL do it op's DH, no would they hell. They don't even want to see the kids and meet the most recent born.

Bil is tightfisted its all about how it looks to others, only he's not willing to pay for it, why should op's family suffer.

OP my BIL earns a huge wage, no kids, two houses and yet we have a nick name for him as he is SO tight. I cant tell or it could give me away.

op show your dh this thread.

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mitchsta · 05/11/2013 18:21

I'm close to my family and would be happily help out financially if they were in need. I'd also chip in for a normal, modest party if someone was planning one (but none of my family would actually ask me to)

HOWEVER... the 'closeness' you describe between your OH and BIL - the kind of closeness that will be compromised unless you fork out for a joint party that you don't want - is not actually closeness at all. It's superficial, intimidating, childish, vulgar and many more things... but it's not about a close brotherly relationship.

FunkyBoldRibena · 05/11/2013 18:22

Did they all offer to share the cost of your DH's party?

Either have a party you can afford or don't have one. End of.

whatever5 · 05/11/2013 18:50

I would just offer to pay a certain amount towards it and leave it at that. The fact that your DH is even considering paying thousands towards the party suggests that you have quite a lot money so £500 would be quite reasonable I think.

expatinscotland · 05/11/2013 18:57

I wouldn't give them a penny and permanently exclude them from your lives.

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Retroformica · 05/11/2013 19:13

I would agree to paying 1/3 of everything but not the marquee for BIL. Surely he could just hire a village hall cheap ish on his own.

Retroformica · 05/11/2013 19:15

But actually I think your FIL should be paying for half and the brothers paying 1/6th each (excluding the marquee)

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