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PavlovtheCat · 27/10/2013 21:09

...sign this ?

I am going to keep posting about it on MN until you have ALL signed it.

Probation will run by SERCO or G4S if you don't get on board. Do you want that? Really? They can't even provide security for the Olympics! And they overcharged YOU tens of millions of pounds, by pretending dead prisoners were still on tag and collecting a fee for them. Or. Sometimes, they simply made the prisoners' names up and then collected a fee for them. That's just for starters.

If these clowns don't run it, some other unaccountable , faceless corporation will be in charge of the monitoring and rehabilitation of offenders. They will hold the safety of YOUR communities in their hands.

So. Sign it. It might even be too late. But we have to try. We simply cannot sit by and let a service which has evolved for over 100 years and is successful in reducing offending across the country be privatised and risk being run by profiteers.

AIBU to expect you to give a shit? Really, you HAVE to give a shit.

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GlitteryShitandDanglyBaubles · 01/11/2013 20:52

Signed it so you can put the blunt object down now, Pavlov. Nice and easy...

dementedma · 01/11/2013 20:54

Hey palov . good that you care.
Right now I don't. I have other things happening in my life which bother me more.
Such is life. Good luck with your campaign, but its not high on my agenda right now.

PavlovtheCat · 01/11/2013 20:56

it's gone! for now Grin

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Tinlegs · 01/11/2013 20:58

I am afraid that the public sector has presided over just as many fuck ups (if not many, many more) than the private sector. There are huge problems with services run by councils (social services, hospitals, schools) which you can't ignore and which rarely come to light until it is too late. I think it is far too simplistic an approach to say public sector good / private bad.

Not signing as I don't think you have made your case.

PavlovtheCat · 01/11/2013 21:06

tinlegs If I spout on about the pros of keeping probation public vs private, firstly it will become complicated as I am not a writer, and secondly, people just simply won't read it here.

I encourage anyone who wants to know more to go and read up about it, as much as possible, read about what the probation does, look at the reports that show it as Excellent in many areas, Good in all the others, those reports that show it is cost effective and efficient, quality assured and doing a good job in the face of adversity. Read about it, read the ideas about the plans to 'transform rehabilitation' and look at the speed at which this is being rushed through, not thought through properly, not worked out, there is no proper risk assessment in place, it has not been done (House of Lords rejected the proposal on the grounds of wanting a risk assessment done first).

Change is good. It is always good to adapt and become better. But ripping something that WORKS apart is not good. It will not make it better. It will make it worse. And worse, when we are talking about potentially dangerous, and certainly offenders who are at risk of repeat offending, that type of worse is really fucking bad indeed. People will DIE.

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EllenJanesthickerknickers · 02/11/2013 11:02

Signed.

PavlovtheCat · 02/11/2013 13:53

MN you rock.

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CherryColl1ns · 02/11/2013 13:57

Just read the first page but really SP ... You're o serious? Are you an adult?

ReindeerBollocks · 02/11/2013 14:03

Have signed.

I know several wonderful probation officers who are very concerned for their jobs and these proposals. Having had dealings with G4S over the years I know why they feel this way.

Chris Grayling seems determined to destroy the Criminal Justice System as we know it. The only problem being is that once it's been systemically broken down and sold off then there really will be trouble.

Thanks for you Pavlov

livingzuid · 02/11/2013 14:12

Is this not also the same lot who had that terrible prison in South Africa as well? I think that was G4S
m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-24694214

Oh surprise surprise it was. I can't sign sadly but will share! Thank you for posting.

PavlovtheCat · 02/11/2013 14:17

reindeer, up to 70% of staff will move across to the private 'holding' company, which will be done before those bidders have won their contracts, and before the government, or those bidders, will know what they are going to actually be doing within their roles.

I mean, for me, it sucks. It sucks big time, but in reality, my time within probation is drawing to an end, due to other reasons. This is bigger than me. Even if I end up working for a private company, I will have a job (until they make redundancies following winning their contracts, then it's not secure). I am under absolutely no illusions about my own fate. I have things to fall back on whatever the future holds for me. I have the skills to make my future work.

BUT. The reason I have done my job, my career, is to support, encourage, and motivate positive change to those who, for whatever reason have fucked up. And, where they continually choose to fuck up, to make sure that the public is kept safe, to protect the victims from further harm, to work to ensure there are not more victims. If this moves to G4S, the compassion, the underpinning belief that people can change, the absolute understanding of what people need in place to make changes, and the dedication and conviction to make tough decisions when those changes are not being made, and people become at risk of harm, all those things will become irrelevant. It will not be about the best support for those people, believing they can change, it will not be about ensuring the if the right decision is to return to court to protect the public from harm then it will be done, it will be about 'will this decision cost us money? will this decision affect our 'reconviction rates'. And that means that corners will be cut, choices will not be offered, and decisions to send to court, or recall to prison will not be made if it means losing money. And in those situations, victims could die.

That is bigger than me.

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PavlovtheCat · 02/11/2013 14:21

living that is exactly the same people! The reality is, that the smaller organisations that are bidding, they simply don't have enough up front capital to get resources in place to meet the targets within the first year. So, the organisations that will get these contracts are the ones that already have millions of pounds in turnover to front: G4S, Serco, Capita, A4E (remember, the organisation who has 9 members of staff charged with fraud, and the chief who awarded herself £8m in bonuses, despite failing badly).

And the evidence so far suggests that these businesses are not capable of consistently running projects with success.

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BeyondTheLimitsOfAcceptability · 02/11/2013 14:25

Signed and bumping for you too

StinkyElfCheese · 02/11/2013 15:13

signed

SisterMonicaJoan · 02/11/2013 15:59

Signed and shared

PavlovtheCat · 02/11/2013 19:34

key witness in sexual abuse investigation in Yarl's Wood to be deported BEFORE she gets to speak to the police. And the prison stopped her from attending a planned interview with the police. Rushing through her deportation so she cannot give evidence.

Yarl's Wood is run by Serco. In case you didn't know.

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PavlovtheCat · 04/11/2013 20:32

tinlegs maybe you should listen, and read the words in this Youtube video. Made by probation staff in South Yorkshire. It's brilliant. And it says it far better than I can say.

awesome, you should all watch it!

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Ruby1080 · 05/11/2013 13:50

This reply has been deleted

The OP has privacy concerns about this post, so we've agreed to take it down.

PavlovtheCat · 06/11/2013 17:21

ruby if you were out today, or yesterday I Hope had support from the public.

a good guardian piece on probation strike

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StarfishOrange · 06/11/2013 17:50

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PavlovtheCat · 06/11/2013 21:39

73 signatures needed to reach 32,000, that is almost 3,000 in less than a week, thanks to the hard work of criminal justice workers raising the awareness. But Not Enough to be shouting loudly at the government.

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KosmoKramer · 06/11/2013 21:48

Signed.

PavlovtheCat · 06/11/2013 21:53

56...

Thanks to all who have signed! shared, read some links! considered the info before making a decision. Don't just share the petition with those around you,discuss it, get it known about, the privatisation, and get people thinking about the implications not just not caring what means.

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PacificDogwood · 06/11/2013 21:54

Signed.

Angry
PavlovtheCat · 07/11/2013 16:07

Just under 500 needed to get to 33,000. The media have barely covered this. Hardly a whisper. Not surprising from the beeb...

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