to wonder why Liz Jones hates Mothers, especially sahm's, so much?

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from the daily mail:
(Poisonous and bitter even by LJ standards)

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2477686/Cooing-cute-cot-sheets-NOT-mothers-main-job.html

Can't believe I read the article but I did.

Well, she's as thick as a brick. That's all I can come up with on the subject :)

Not read the article. I won't read the Mail ever since their appalling coverage of the Connecticut school shootings.

What I've read of Liz Jones doesn't exactly endear her to me, but I do think that long term SAHM-ing is generally detrimental to women (and men) and from that perspective, I suppose it's anti-feminist.

Having said that, making cash from having what appears to be a very public car crash for never having had a child isn't exactly feminism with a capital F.

I'd never heard of the woman before today. So I read the article without knowing any of her history. She simply sounded like a lonely, bitter old woman who regrets some of the decisions she has made, and feels she must belittle others who have what she desperately missed out on.

Never, ever take anything published by the daily mail seriously. I mean, seriously! My step mother buys it and whenever I go over theirs I inadvertently end up reading it and always end up feeling cross and frustrated at the tripe they write!

If a woman goes back to work, she will pay someone to have the full-time job of looking after their child(ren) - why would it not be a full time job if the mother herself looks after the child(ren)?
Liz Jones cannot understand how it is to be a mother or look after children having been unable to have children of her own, leaving her clueless, bitter and resentful.
I don't feel sorry for her, I just laugh at her like a sad, pathetic joke

I haven't read it yet, but it's just a formula that works. Gets a response.
It's successful and others try to do it, and DM promotes them.

Ok read it, it's not that bad.

I quite enjoy reading her, but I don't like myself for doing it - it makes me feel better, because no matter how frustrated you are about your life, you're not as frustrated as |Liz Jones. She just doesn't have the mental tools for being happy.

But she is hard to read, because she does send herself up to some extent. It's hard to know how much is her persona and how much is the real her, and whether her persona has grown and grown to take the real her over.

Liz Jones drives me crazy with her stupid comments about mothers. For some reason she hates all mothers and all children. She must either be jealous that she has never had children and become a mum herslef or just plain mad! I'm not sure which.

She should try being normal for once, she might like it!

Her article on trying to stealing sperm from a now ex boyfriend was incredibly sad and, I think, to be taken seriously. There is a gravitas and pathos to some of her writing which distinguishes her from the other tabloid 'journalists'. I suspect that her portrayal of mums as only caring about cot sheets, poo and living humdrum lives of maudlin sentimentality helps her feel a bit better about the sad truth that noone wanted to have kids with her. That is the reality for so many women nowadays. The very feminism that was supposed to give more choices mean that men view women who want children as a bit retrograde and likely to burden them.

marsha, you think the article 'isn't that bad' were you reading the same article?
And the poster who said long term sahm'ing is detrimental? Says who? I was a long term sahm for a decade and returned to work. I'm happy, know it was the right thing for our family, don't consider it anti feminist at all!

I assume so. I just don't get riled by stuff like that, whether I sahm or not. I don't find it personally offensive.

And sometimes is good to look after yourself too when making decisions.

And her style is self-deprecating.

It has to be seen within the context of Jones's body of work. We know that she is sneery of this (SAHM) because it has been a continuing theme. Therefore even if she uses the term without a pejorative in a one article, we can assume that she has not converted to whole hearted approval of the Mother who stays with her children and does not work outside of her home.

I do think she is unwell though and because of that I try to temper what I write. However I am at the amount of accidents/incidents her animals are described (by her) as having.

Hi Marsha

I guess I find it light-hearted enough to be totally irrelevant.

Plus I only read her articles when they are linked on here. So I don't know that much about her.

Hey Mig! She probably is a bit unwell. yes

Long-term SAHM-hood (as has been said above) is not great for women in general.

Women cooing about cot sheets - I'm not sure where she got that from. If someone wrote an article about SAHM's obsessing over 11+ or 13+ or A levels I'd probably be forced to agree with her. People who coo over cot sheets are mothers of new babies, and understandably myopic IMO.

She doesnt like herself and spends money to make herself feel better about herself. I think she needs some therapy. Not sure if she has had any. She could write about different therapies. That might actually help some people.

I think a lot of her insecurity and self-loathing is vomited up to order though. She knows she makes a living out of it so she doesn't shut down that side of herself. She runs with it. I don't think she is as self-loathing or as bitter or as tragic as she portrays herself! But it's a job, and to be honest, probably a well-paid one.

So who's this guy she's writing about at the moment? Does anybody know?

True. And if you find a formula that pays well, why not. I could go on about insecurities for a bit on paper then take the cheque. Not bad.

HelloBoys, yes, I agree with you, Liz stands up for things she believes in. I have read her articles about the fashion industry nodding along.

I'm just very scared of ending up bitter and jealous like her if I don't meet a partner and have children - i'm 37 so it's not looking likely. :(

I think she should stick to writing about fashion and animals to be honest.

Also the way she bitches about her family makes me cringe - it's horrible for them I should imagine! No wonder she's got no friends apparently.

Liz stands up for things she believes in.

Yeah, but it's more commendable to do that when the things you believe aren't a load of old bollocks

Latara - why should you be bitter and jealous like Liz??!!

She is one of a kind. this is standard journalism in form of Daily Mail. controversial.

I'm 42, childless and without a partner. I'm not bitter and jealous re not being able to have kids. I AM however if I do want kids and partner making strides in that direction.

God knows the world and his wife like to hammer it home to you if you're not with a partner and kids by 35 LATEST then you may as well sit at home with cats for company.

Latara she does write about having friends but she is strange. very strange.