To be fucked off that parents not vaccinating their child is risking my childs life?

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I never judged them before. I never cared, if they chose not to vaccinate their child I always thought it was their choice and its not for me to have an opinion.
I never used to give it much more thought that that. I vaccinate mu children and what others do with theirs is none of my business.

Until I have a child who's immune system is often (but not always, steroid use) compramised. He is more likely to pick up bugs, and not deal with them very well.

He is also allergic to many things. I know tha egg allergy isnt usually an issue, but the MMR is cultivated on egg albumin. He is allergic to egg (anaphylactic) chicken meat, and feathers. The whole caboodle. Im pretty sure his tiny body wont like egg albumin either.

He's due to have this vaccine very very soon in hospital and Im absolutely shitting myself. Every time I remember it my stomach drops and my heart races.

Im genuinely thinking, what if he dies?

I cant get the vaccines done individually because the private clinics wont touch me with a barge pole.

I cant risk leaving it (Ive left it 18 months so far) because the area I live in has a very low MMR rate.

And that really, really angers me. Probably irrationally so.

I should be able to leave it. My son should be protected by societies use of the MMR.

Instead I either have to risk him getting an illness, or risk giving him this injection.

As if he hasnt been enough already.

I know IABU, but I just feel very resentful and angry towards those who choose not to vaccine right now.

More than prepared to be flamed for this.

They are comparing having a single vaccine versus having the MMR but the reality is having the MMR or not having anything because the government have forbidden it.

They haven't 'forbidden' it - see saintlyjimjams post upthread.

Op, I blatantly can't be bothered to read the whole thread, and have seen this argument before on mumsnet anyway. Just want to say we are in the same boat and I totally understand your frustration.

Ds 1 is very allergic to egg and many other foods. He picks up bugs like nobody's business. I ought to be able to trust to herd immunity and not have to give him an immunisation which is grown on egg albumin, but I can't because so many people don't vaccinate.

ds had the mmr a year late because the gp wanted him to have it in hospital but the allergy specialist said there was no need. It took ages of letters going back and forth.

Anyway, he had the mmr at the ordinary surgery in the end and was fine. They had adrenaline lined up on the side, showed me where the panic button was etc. But nothing bad happened

ErrolTheDragon ok opposing it then - making it as difficult as possible. If there are people who are going to have no vaccine at all because MMR is not a viable option they why not help them get singles? Their stated aims are in conflict with their actions.

DUCKScake just read back a couple of pages and realised this is you. I know you have had a hard time with the whole allergy thing. I still haven't read the whole thread, but would put money on there being some grim comments... don't let them get you down! You are mighty brave (or crazy ) to start a thread like this!

Have you searched back through the allergy board for experiences of mmr? As I remember, there is one poster whose child had a problem with the booster (had a reaction but was controllable) and everybody else who has posted has been fine. Have you been in touch with the Anaphylaxis Campaign? They are usually so helpful with stuff like this.

It's no wonder you are are worried when your child reacts to every form of chicken. I would be worried too... even though most egg allergic children are fine.

After ds 1 had his mmr, the nurse gave him the usual sticker for being brave, and then she gave me a sticker, saying that I had been brave too

Will be thinking of you.

OP Im sorry that you're in this position. I think I feel similar to brokensunglasses.

Can I just ask - those of you commenting and bringing statistics to the conversation - are you medical professionals? And Im not asking that because I want to try to say your opinions are shit if you're not - Im just interested from a personal standpoint. I've yet to make the MMR decision with our youngest.

I am an ex research scientist.

The vast majority of kids who have MMR in hospital because of egg allergy have no problems.

It is usually a massive anti-climax. Hope that is vaguely reassuring.

Thants, i would say that most of us who are weary of the MMR believe that the vaccine is safe for the great majority of children, but there are particulat cases when given the genetic make up of the child, and their particular medical history, the MMR can cause in some cases considerable damage.

The op is claiming that if we all vaccinated she wouldn't be in this dilemma, not realising that a great number of people who decided not to vaccinate were in the same position as she is, and decided not to vaccinate as the lesser of two evils.

Chandra what genetic make up would make you wary of mmr?

Both mine had the MMR late: at 3 rather than 1. I chose that path because we have a fmaily history of autoimmune reaction to vaccination, autoimmune disease, and both of my kids were born with my antibodies from my varied autoimmune diseases in them. These antibodies did not clear until aged 3 or thereabouts. In the USA, I was told it would be standard to immunise them later, in the UK, I had to pay for blood tests tyo check the antibodes had gone myself. I think the vaccination IS safe for most, but it isn't safe for my kids, at least, not until their systems had cleared the antibodies put in them by me! And this was advise from my endocrinologist, not hearsay.Not that that had any weight with the GP.

sheridand - did the endocrinologist give any references for that? That's not a sly dig btw, am genuinely extremely interested, it might be very relevant for us.

Auto immune disorders running in the family Thants. Also having a good number of people with aspergers, autism and coelliac disease in the family. That kind of thing.

My dn is severely brain damaged from the mmr

She got chicken pox within a couple of days and it attacked her brain stem as her immunity was so compromised due to mmr

It's not an easy choice for people WITH healthy children you know. My dd was healthy, but had had a series of convulsions, febrile ones. I was terrified of the mmr, I took a decision, with dh and my dr surgery, that dd would have m and r separately and take the risk with mumps.

Sweeping statements about people like me being selfish are ... Well, too sweeping.

QOD - is that accepted officially by the docs? I'm just asking because I was told 12 years ago by a researcher in the autism community that they felt that catching chickenpox too close to MMR was a risk factor for regression.

*possibly of course - they did qualify it a lot, but it was something they were concerned about

She has dancing eyes syndrome as one diagnosis which is linked to cp, "they" the medical profession felt that she was so severely affected as her body was fighting the whole mmr thing and just couldn't cope.
She doesn't just have that, she is brain damaged, can't walk steadily, can't read or write or tell time. She is 22 now bless her cottons. No one can say with 100% certainty but the coincidence is pretty heavy.

Yes, definitely. :(

saintlyjimjams - would you mind if I messaged you to talk with you about your opinions etc?

Ds2 had chicken pox and was unwell for ages and then had the MMR. Disaster for him.

Please do cherry :)

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Disaster pagwatch?

In what way

My son is to have the cp vaccination, then the measles vaccine. I hope that doesnt count.

Stopped speaking. Started communicating in hgh pitched screams. Lost bowel control. Developed recurring diarrhoea/constipation starting stimming/head banging ec etc etc.

Now 17. Functions around age 5. Asd/anxiety/obsessions.

That's the basics.

OHforDucksCake

We have a family history of issues with vaccination plus allergies etc.
He was just unlucky. Very white faced and not well when he had the MMR.
Not your average sitation really.
Dd hasn't had any as she as immune system nonsense too.

Oh this is just all so scary.