To be fucked off that parents not vaccinating their child is risking my childs life?

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I never judged them before. I never cared, if they chose not to vaccinate their child I always thought it was their choice and its not for me to have an opinion.
I never used to give it much more thought that that. I vaccinate mu children and what others do with theirs is none of my business.

Until I have a child who's immune system is often (but not always, steroid use) compramised. He is more likely to pick up bugs, and not deal with them very well.

He is also allergic to many things. I know tha egg allergy isnt usually an issue, but the MMR is cultivated on egg albumin. He is allergic to egg (anaphylactic) chicken meat, and feathers. The whole caboodle. Im pretty sure his tiny body wont like egg albumin either.

He's due to have this vaccine very very soon in hospital and Im absolutely shitting myself. Every time I remember it my stomach drops and my heart races.

Im genuinely thinking, what if he dies?

I cant get the vaccines done individually because the private clinics wont touch me with a barge pole.

I cant risk leaving it (Ive left it 18 months so far) because the area I live in has a very low MMR rate.

And that really, really angers me. Probably irrationally so.

I should be able to leave it. My son should be protected by societies use of the MMR.

Instead I either have to risk him getting an illness, or risk giving him this injection.

As if he hasnt been enough already.

I know IABU, but I just feel very resentful and angry towards those who choose not to vaccine right now.

More than prepared to be flamed for this.

DS has an egg allergy(amongst other health issues) , and had his MMR in hospital. He was absolutely fine. They kept a close eye on him (whilst he busily did a giant floor puzzle) and we were home after about 2 hours.
I had worried like you, I had an over night bag all packed. I was petrified. But he was absolutely fine. Please keep in mind they are set up to deal with any possible issues that may arise, and they will keep him very closely monitored.
Good luck OP xx

Here are quite a few good reasons - which weren't at all difficult to locate - why the MMR is vastly to be preferred compared to single jabs:

www.hpa.org.uk/Topics/InfectiousDiseases/InfectionsAZ/MMR/GeneralInformation/

I've seen those before. As I said earlier, there is no NEED to give mumps and rubella at the same time as Measles so the idea that it takes longer is a non- argument. As far as safety/effectiveness is concerned - scare mongering. The single measles vaccine - Rouvax is produced my sanofi Pasteur - the manufacturer of the Pediacel (5-in-1) vaccine. Shall we start questioning its safety?

I live in the US. I've worked in education in several states. In each of these you could sign a waiver to avoid immunization. Doing so is so popular, in fact, that we're having a resurgence of certain illnesses. The chicken pox is still very common here, and not newsworthy in any region I've lived in.

It was California. I don't know if that makes any difference. My friend is unlikely to lie about it, and vaccinated her kids.

Re: unavailability of single vaccines.

I wrote to the dept of health back in 2001 (before ds1's regression actually) and asked them why they had 'banned' single vaccines.

They wrote back and told me they hadn't, that they were quite happy to allow single jabs but the pharmaceutical companies had allowed the licences to lapse and had not asked for them to be renewed. If they asked for them to be renewed they would consider it in the usual manner.

So who knows.

bumbleymummy you can if you want, I'm done, doesn't seem likely that anyone is likely to change their mind about anything.

Sorry if that sounds totally rude, I've had a shit day to be honest.

It was California. I don't know if that makes any difference.

I currently live and work in California. We definitely have a waiver. And chicken pox parties.

And no-one seems to have died or gone deaf in Wales.

"And no-one seems to have died or gone deaf in Wales."

How do you know? Certainly children have been hospitalised. If the OP child had measles then he would certainly die.

The post mortum of a 25 year old man who had measles in the recent outbreak was inconclusive

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-22350001

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-22342910

The risks of complications of measles is pretty high even in healthy people. Certainly the risks of serious complications are higher than the risks of autism caused by the jab.

It was California. I don't know if that makes any difference.

I currently live and work in California. We definitely have a waiver. And chicken pox parties.

No idea then.

Saintly - that's interesting. Its often made to sound like its some sort of dark plot on the part of the government or the NHS to coerce people into having the MMR, but that sounds like its the more prosaic case that there's just not enough money in single jabs for the companies to want to carry on making them.

I have a child with a heart condition, who could be really poorly if she caught any of these illnesses people are not vaccinating their children against.

I am partially deaf due to measles I caught as a child.

You can guess which side of the debate I'm on.

YANBU, OP. Bloody vaccinate your children. People in third world countries walk for days to get their children vaccinated, that is, if they possibly can.

"If the OP child had measles then he would certainly die."

What an awful thing to say! He may be more likely to suffer complications but you can't possibly know how serious they would be for him.

Can we please stop the comparisons with developing countries? People walk for miles to get food and water there as well - it is not the same situation at all. (and no, it is not just because we have vaccination here!)

Oh that whole letter was a bit odd Errol. They also told me there was no loss of confidence in the MMR and I was quite mistaken to think that people didn't trust it. So I was a bit at every news broadcast going on about a massive drop - especially given that letter was written to me at the height of the MMR issue.

I'm sure a govt could order singles if they wanted (so making licensing worthwhile for the company) but it did confirm there's no dark reason related to the single vaccinations themselves as to why they're not licensed. I suspect the money issue is govt related as well. Economics does feature a lot in decisions about which vaccinations to supply and buy in (the argument for mumps vaccination is economic, the argument for vaccinating healthy children against the flu is economic - that's all in the JCVI minutes if anyone fancies trawling through).

I can also verify that chicken pox is not news worthy in the US. I have been here almost 25 years and have not once seen any paper/television articles detailing a story about a child with chicken pox.

You can absolutely choose to opt out of vaxxing your child before school by simply filling out and returning a form to the school.

I had measles as a baby and have lost part of my hearing as a result. I had mumps at 6 and rubeolla before I finished primary school.

I have a child who reacted to every dose of his early vaccines to the point he ended in hospital but the doctors refused to investigate, and I don't blame them, they won't be believed and would be highly criticised if they did.

We all are different, in the same way some people could die if given a penycillin shot, in the same way as many other medicines, vaccines may be safe for the great majority of people but not all so, even with all the damage that mmr diseases have put me through, I still think YABU. Sorry, there is simply no medical substance that is absolutely safe for the whole of the population so I welcome we have the freedom to decide if we want to risk using a certain product.

By the way, ds was immunosupressed at the time of his MMR, he also is allergic to egg (carries an epipen). We went for sepvax (and would have been prepated to fly him abroad for them if necessary) because after being treated as idiots and dismissed with each if the early vaccines' reactions, we knew that if something untiward happened with the MMR the credibility of the vaccine would be put ahead of the needs and individuality of our son.

Si herd immunity, my a&se.

When ds1 reacted very badly after his mmr the dr's told me that they couldn't say it was due to the vaccine.
They also said that they couldn't say it WASN'T to do with the vaccine. What was clear was that something had happened to him.
So none of my others had the mmr. They all had measles and are all fine.

That's good big buttons

puntasticusername thanks for the link, but none of those reasons hold up.

They are comparing having a single vaccine versus having the MMR but the reality is having the MMR or not having anything because the government have forbidden it.

Under what circumstances would having 3 single vaccines be worse than not having any at all?

Has anybody in the thread has pointed out that the Op is angry about people not vaccinating as that takes away the choice not to vaccinate her son? Talk about double standards and all that

It angers me, irrationally so.

I know AIBU Im just feel very resentful and angry

im scared he is going to die

I think, I think, this is why they didnt all point it out.

Because I know.

I haven't read all the replies but my Ds is also anaphylactic to egg. He had his mmr booster in hospital. The Des refused and referred him to the hospital. The hospital said that there was no trace of egg in the vaccine but that they get people sent by the GPS and they don't consider it a risk.Ds did not have any reaction to it at all. I hope this gives you some comfort in the wait for the appointment.

Thanks. My problem is that he is allergic to more than just egg though.

If he was just allergic to egg Id have vaccinated him by now I think.

Chandra. Op's choice is very different though. Either way there a possible serious risk to her son. Whereas healthy people who choose not to for ideological reasons are not in that difficult position.