to think this is very disruptive??

[macdoodle]

I probably am being unreasonable and am prepared to hear it.
My DD1 has just started secondary school, she is in the "more able class" (this is what its called by the school ).
In this class, of about 20 odd, there is a boy with SN. He has an assistant for every lesson, and from what my DD tells me I guess he must have some form of autism.
But every single day, she is coming home with stories of what "X" has done. Thinks like having tantrum, which takes 20mins to calm down disrupting the lesson, shouting at the teacher, grabbing or hitting another child (and once a teacher), throwing all his books and stuff on the floor (numerous occasions), storming out of lessons etc etc.
Now the kids all seem to think this is hysterical (and great fun that almost every lesson is disrupted by "X"), but every day I am a bit , it just sounds very disruptive, and DD is starting to sound more annoyed than thinking its funny.
She does however say that is is clearly very bright indeed.
I know he has just as much right to be taught, but at the cost of disrupting a whole class of children? AIBU?? I can't quite decide TBH, and so far it doesnt appear to be affecting DD1's abilities, but we are only a term in.

YANBU

It seems to me like they have just lumped together anybody with additional educational needs into the same class.
Unless I'm mistaken isn't "more able" the new term for G&T which is also an AEN.
I am not implying that this boy is not also "more able" as I have a dd who is both dyslexic and more able at some things.
It is wrong when a class is being disrupted for whatever reason and too long assessments have found certain dc to be capable of mainstream education because there is no alternative.
Everybody deserves a good education irrespective of bureaucracy, funding or any other issue.

Alexa I haven't said he should be hiding away, he needs more help in a way that is suited for him personally.

The school have a duty of care to the children and if they are being assaulted then it needs to be addressed, massive safe guarding issue. Being physically hurt or mentally abuse shouldn't be tolerated from anyone. Obviously a higher degree of understanding is needed in this case, but still.

It doesn't sound as though anybody in the class, pupils or staff, are having a very happy or successful learning experience. I think that I, as an adult, would struggle to ignore somebody being assaulted in the same room. I hope that the school are able to find a better way of supporting the lad in his classes, so that he feels able to participate in the lesson.

The thing that irritates me is how quickly people focus on the child with SN instead of ocusing upon the fact that the class would run smoothly if all the childrens needs we're being met.

My child is in year 6. If she came home every day with gossipy tales of the behaviour of one child with SN I would be mortified.

maybe you need to learnn tolerance too.

And now the insults on the OP's character and profession?

Put the claws away.

Nobody is saying hide him away.
What I am saying is nobody is gaining in the current set up.
The boy is being taken away physically by force - is that better than being in an environment where there are more staff, with appropriate resources that would cause him less stress?
Of course the boy deserves everything we all deserve - but he sure as hell isn't getting it at the moment.
If I was his mother I'd be fighting his corner, if I was the OP I'd be fighting for dd's right not to have to put up with this behaviour - regardless of its cause.

How can people think it's right to post things like this..then others falling over themselves to agree..not on high horse..on disgusted horse.

I don't get why people go for the kneejerk reaction that the answer to this issue is to remove the boy in question from the class. Surely the reality is that the school needs to address whatever it is that is making him so anxious and stressed that he kicks off, to enable him to stay there without disrupting the others? As has been pointed out, it is common for children with ASD to have difficulty in coping with changes in routine, and starting secondary with its regular changes of classroom and teacher must be very difficult for this boy: but the way to deal with this is not to chuck him out but, for instance, to spend a lot of time preparing him for what is coming next and reassuring him. Or it may well be that he has sensory issues and has trouble coping with classroom noise and crowds, so steps need to be taken to minimise distractions and help him to develop strategies to help him cope.

Add message | Report | Message poster macdoodle Sun 13-Oct-13 16:14:41
Sauvignon, I am sorry for your lad, and believe me I do not talk to my DD1, about it like this
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Was the above post from someone else OP?

Ah ok I see now, my DD1 is less important as are the other children in the class.
Anyone who expresses any concern for any of the children including X, is unreasonable, nasty, intolerant, oh and insulting my perfectly reasonable and very kind DD1 is out of order, ta.
If you have a child with SN you are allowed to insult others with impunity, and make their concerns much less important, because your life is harder.
Just what I expected of MN, shouldnt have bothered really.

My daughter has AS, as do I. If she was behaving like this at school I'd be extremely angry with the school. It not right for an autistic child to be put in a position where they are that distressed every day. It's a terrible situation all round.

OP, my final message, I'd go into the school and without asking for details because those are confidential, just ask if it is being addressed. That's all you can do at the moment.

Hopefully they'll all get the help they need, and the education they deserve.

Pagwatch has a good point.

Fuck, some of you people are holier than thou!!

How about the teacher's right not to be assaulted? Or the other children's?

Is observing that the op is a Doctor an insult?

I would have hoped it meant a modicum of understanding is all. But happy to be wrong.

No you shouldn't have bothered. Crass, offensive thread

Why are there so many threads like this just lately?

Yanbu, your dd has every right to be educated in an environment that is safe and she is not disruptive like such. Everybody seems to be focusing on the boy having sn and seems that you and your dd should be tolerant and accept it. You shouldn't! Her learning environment should not be sacrificed. It doesn't seem that this situation is the right one for the boy and the school should definitely be stepping in more.

Happy to be called holier than thou by people who don't see why this thread is offensive.

pagwatch I was referring to She must be some fucking doctor if her diagnosis is based on tales from an 11yo

and following on from that now calling her daughter a 'gossip'

Still with you OP.

People angrily posting about their own children with SN have little to do with your justifiable concern over your daughter.

You need to speak to the school about the situation she is in.