Why do you think behaviour in schools is so much worse than even 10 yrs ago.

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This is not a joke thread. I am generally interested as to how much the standard of behaviour has deteriated in the last 25 years since i left school.

What amazes me, is that teachers are not shocked when watching programes like educating yorkshire, that just shows how bad the behaviour of some pupils is.

Another shocking thing is that pupils who in my time would have been labeled a menace "ME INCLUDED" are now seen as upstanding pupils.

How has the standard fallen so far and what can be done to re address the balance.

This thread is in support of teachers.

"inclusion" bullshit ???

Totally agree with cardibach - I'm a secondary TA - the persistent disruption that thrashes lessons comes from NT kids who have no respect and couldn't give a damn.

My Mum was a Primary IT Advisor, same kinda thing with the men and their egos .

Lovely attitude Doris

'We need to look at private schools and see what they do that state schools do not.'

They cherrypick Doris.
Imagine MN if they banned the unintelligent, the aggressive, the ones who weren't team players, the ones who misbehaved, the quirky, the unfit, the ones who couldn't afford the large subscription fee...

You'd have a private and exclusive website.

There'd only be a few of us left, Silver

Silver, I know they were, and that's a bittersweet description, but perhaps some didn't survive a sustained "good smacking" or refusal to accommodate issues with food. I remember DS' paed telling me, your DS will starve if you don't give him milk and fruit and insist he eats meals.

The focus should be on achievement, not "serving the community"

Achievement for who?

I want my children to learn that they are the community, as are all the children in their class, whatever their abilities and backgrounds.

I'm sorry but....

Now, now. If you are going to be disablist, say it loud and proud, hey. Don't waffle around.

Low level disruption really needs to be dealt with surely? I would really like to know why its not being dealt with in schools?

At DS1 independent school has zero tolerance on misbehaviour. Every little misdemenour is picked up on and punishments are escalated according. Parents are automatically informed and expected to support the schools stance. If parents are not on board and their childs behaviour continues to be an issue they are requested to withdraw their child permanently. If they do not the child is then expelled by the school. There is a right of appeal by the parents but ive not known any to be sucessful. Its very like my state school in the 80s in that respect

Achievement for who though Doris?

My DS doesn't want to learn so much that he is reading the first Harry Potter book aged six and is up most of the night processing and analysing what he has been learning that day.

Why shouldn't SN kids and disadvantaged kids that want to work hard be given all the opportunities possible? Why should they have to suffer in the name of inclusion? Who does it benefit?

I think the problem is a severe lack of compassion, as shown by a lot of posters on this thread.

We are talking about children here, as in not fully grown, with stuff to learn. It is not the fault of inclusion that many SEN children are cheated out of their legally entitled support as laid out in Statements of SEN.

Have any of you read this thread?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/primary/1862438-Teachers-do-not-adhere-to-Statemented-1-to-1-support-do-not-believe-in-sub-levels-make-APP-assessments-up-How-much-of-what-parents-are-told-by-schools-about-teaching-is-a-box-ticking-exercise

There are a lot of ills with today's education system.

Doris 80. Mention grammar schools and you get flamed or someone will come along and say their grammar was "APPALLING" in behaviour.

You have got to stick to comprehensives and all they bring.

No matter how appalling any grammar school can be in behaviour,it can never be as bad as a comprehensive school.

I know i will get the usual pupils dont have SN or FSM is only 2% stuff but that does not excuse bad behaviour or poor support of sanctions from the parents of the comprehensive in a socially deprived area.

'Which is more important? "Inclusion" or narrowing social mobility?'

Eh?

That's like asking which is better a goldfish or grated cheese?

Doris My DS1 that is disabled with SNs is also on the G&T list. You DO realise, of course, that many children with SNs are actually quite high achieving academically, right?