To think teachers are actually better off than those in the private sector

[coco44]

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Please may I rephrase the debate in a more measured way)

while those who point, tut and head shake at what they perceive as the above are not at all goady

I fully support the strike, I would, I am a post grad educated public sector worker earning the magnificent sum of £16k after 17 years service in a specialised profession - it's fucking ace being an over paid public servant

OP, imagine you had a herd of 30 cows.
The ones that are too ill for you to cure, you are blamed for because you should know how to cure them.
The ones that are aggressive are your fault because you should know how to get them to behave.
The ones that are too docile are your fault because clearly they're bored and need stimulation.
The ones that run away are your fault because they're scared of you.
The ones that come to you are your fault because you're not challenging them enough.
Do you get the picture? To say that you don't think teaching is a particularly skilled or difficult job is as insulting to teachers as me saying all you do is shove your hand up a cow's arse.

Great,others don't.

Retropear
No posters that engage in pack mentality,sarcasm and belittling are bullies.

The OP has posted a statement against a group of people and that group of people have defended themselves and their profession.

If the OP had posted about some teachers it wouldn't have happened, but she posted generalised rubbish with an open ended statement that is blatantly untrue.

Some teachers do scare,some don't challenge....-just saying.

it's a wonder more people don't go into teaching if it's such a cushy number? Retropear come on you would be ideal for employment in a new private academy - why they don't even want you to have a teaching qualification - you could do it standing on your head I am sure

"Those who can, teach. Those who can't, start threads bellyaching about it ".

The keyword in your post of 22:17 retro is some.

"My job is very skilled I work long hours, it involves very unsociable hours and working sometimes in cold ,dirty conditions.I regularly get physically hurt"
Yes, so is mine. I am a teacher. I have had children throwing chairs, pushing me out of the way, I worked in classrooms that have a bucket to catch the drips from the leaking ceiling and smell strongly of stale urine and faeces because the toilets in the corridor are blocked.
You chose your career, I chose mine. So until either of us know a tad more about it, we should perhaps think before we open our mouths to slag the other off.

wouldn't last a day in the private sector blah blah blah

hahaha red wine - ergo wrong thread @# go to bed Gordy

Already done it.Considered going back but would have to do the back to teaching thing.Would prefer to use the op to do something new having spent most of my working life in schools.Not a lot out there though that uses your skills and pays a wage anywhere near the same.

most teachers don't scare and most challenge!

good luck - no one wants the cost of experienced teachers in these new academies

Some teachers do scare,some don't challenge....-just saying Yes, and I'm just saying that we're damned if we do and damned if we don't.

As I mentioned previously, if teaching is so easy please pick up an application form.

I fully admit to berating you on your other thread OP because you dismissed an entire profession in a very insulting manner which irritated me on behalf of the excellent teachers I know.

Firstly not ALL teachers are on strike tomorrow...my DS is off on a visit to an environmental centre with his school and all teachers are in.

Secondly, the skills which teachers and other school staff use are fantastic and often cannot be taught. As an example they deal with the likes of my DS who is autistic and they handle his varying needs with understanding and support while also managing the needs of rest of the class. What is that saying about juggling several balls at once?

Thirdly many teachers DO work in the private sector.

Lastly, many if not most teachers will do many hours of unpaid work above and beyond what they are paid for. In the same way that those private sector employees might also do.

And their strike is not about pay either so comparing this to the private sector doesn't work.

And you were rude and dismissive about teacher training...perhaps apply to do the PGCE....I think you would be in for a shock.

If there's nothing out there that uses your skills and pays a wage anywhere near the same, why not do the back to teaching thing? Sounds like the easier option.

Some teachers do scare,some don't challenge....-just saying

Yes: there are ranges of competence in all lines of work.

I don't see as much bashing of any other profession though.

I double dare you to walk into my school and teach one of our classes. Oh and you could differentiate for all our SEN pupils to ensure they make measurable progress. As well as the children who have a 1:1 adult because their challenging behaviour means they can't access any teaching unless they have someone to help them through the day.

You could then have a meeting with a parent and social workers about how to best protect their child from an abusive family member.
Then you might like to plan a weeks worth of lessons in line with the new curriculum.

After that you could collect your own children and shovel tea at them, bath them and stick them in bed before you sit down at 7 and work through till about 10, making sure all your class receive detailed feedback on the work they did today. Also type up all the notes from your meeting. And finish your planning.

No. It takes no skill at all. It's not difficult to do. I am just moaning.

Celia I went from school,to teaching college to schools.When you get near a half century you get itchy feet.If I do/pay for a course I'd like to do something new before it's too late.

Having said that I do have a hankering to do something re supporting adult literacy with those struggling(not sure if such a job exits).

Why are teachers so easy to wind up, you are like wind up clocks.

I used to be able to wind up every teacher when i was 16.

It was great fun!

You really should not feed the threads,let these threads run out of steam and die.

I believe this thread is a laugh for Coco 44.

Teachers are feeding Coco 44 dont do it.

Still so gleeful about baiting teachers, soul200?

Not moved on from being 16, then.

Echt. Actually i have a lot of friends who are teachers.

Retro those jobs do exist but are usually outside the 9-5 to fit in with adults who work. I did adult literacy support as a volunteer in the evenings and loved it. Had to give it up when DH's hours changed.

Oh, I meant to say, check with your local colleges. You could offer to volunteer first to get some experience and see what the job entails before you commit. There are fewer vacancies though.