To not get why people hate Dubai so much?

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What is there to hate?

I think it's a great place to have a holiday. Great restaurants, great service, fab shopping and spa treatments.

I do understand the problems of domestic and construction staff being exploited but this is not a problem unique to Dubai. I just don't get the vitriol, the 'it has no culture' etc.. I say get out of the bitter farm and play with the hay!

Ok, so if Dubai has the ability to pay immigrant workers more money and if it chose to do so- what would happen?

Every migrant worker would want to go there and anyone who made the slightest mistake would be dismissed as there was a huge queue of people waiting to fill their place- is that really better?

India does not promote itself as a luxury holiday destination.

Bear, not if proper employment legislation was in place.

stars I think the rule about India is it's ok to go and enjoy yourself doing fabulous rich person things, in fabulous rich person places, so long as the poor exploited Indians who make it all possible are actually doing it in India.

If they are recruited en masse and taken to Dubai to make everything fabulous for you then that is much worse, and definitely not allowed.

What is proper employment legisation' portofino? People who are not as good at their jobs as others might be, being protected from being sacked by bureaucracy?

I wouldn't go to India anymore than I would go to Dubai due to the gendercide. Not hippy and not cool.

Nor China for the same reason.

We holiday in France (where we live), in Scotland (where we have family) and in Italy (where we have family).

I do quite fancy Iceland though.

They are all alcoholics in Iceland.

Iceland is bloody expensive!

India has always been a tourist destination. There was a 'Visit India' campaign too. Not selling the bling right enough, but all that peace and serenity stuff. Let's face it, there is no Utopia for a holiday really, someone, somewhere is getting shafted because that's the way of it. I don't think the whole Maslow's pyramid shit applies to greedy bastards on the make. I don't mean to sound as though I don't care, because I do but I also think the Arabs get a hard time. And Saudi's aside (I told you my prejudices), Arabs are actually mostly a quite nice lot. I think it will improve but i think they have done quite well for a 40 year old country with borders made up by the Brits.

Sorry to disappoint you heads but your attempt at being ostentatious by wearing earrings has been completely top trumped by the poster who thought spending 6 weeks in Ibiza was ostentatious! I don't think I could do that if you paid me!

bear that poster was me and you are displaying astounding naivete about the relative attractiveness of Dubai vs Ibiza. Do a bit of googling if you don't believe me.

But horses for courses. You like Dubai. I like Ibiza. Both are bling destinations where you can burn money or behave like an appalling chav - or both at the same time.

The difference is that, being Spain, Ibiza is within the Western justice system and follows EU laws, which is very important to me, even if for some inexplicable reason it's not to you.

limited I have been to Dubai and Ibiza and they are not even in the same ball park.

I am not trying to justify the bling of Dubai but simply stating that Ibiza is, in my opinion, not even remotely comparable with Dubai.

I am truly astounded that, in the context of this thread, some people are trying to out-ostentatiousness others.

I like Dubai and intend to continue to visiting there but even if I didn't, I understand others reservations and I sure as hell wouldn't be putting Ibiza up as the answer to all our prayers.

Spelling hell, I have no excuse

I put it to you that you haven't been to the right bits of Ibiza.

But in any case, it doesn't really matter. You asked people who objected to Dubai where they holidayed. I said Spain, and I told you that was because it signs up to a good justice and employment system and I'm comfortable that if I worked or lived there it would be essentially the same as in the UK or the rest of the EU or for that matter Australia, NZ or Canada.

Can you say the same of Dubai where you don't live, but you go on holiday and chat to hotel staff?

Dubai sounds fucking hideous.

I hate shopping anyway but I think I would particularly hate doing it in malls, built by slaves in debt bondage, with stupid shops selling obscenely expensive designer wankery.

In a desert.

Is it the entire subcontinent of India or just the country that is being compared to Dubai on this thread? Either way, it's quite a bit bigger...

i put it to you. ?? are you on Law and Order or something limited

You didn't state that you liked to holiday in Spain, you tried to out bling everyone else by saying you spent 6 weeks in Ibiza which was really ostentatious, for which I feel sorry for above all else.

That was not what Limited said, I think. She was responding to another "jealously" type accusation.

I know, because the slaves in debt bondage have their palms imprinted in the mall floor, just so we know how fucking better we are than them, ungrateful bastards. There are a few stuffed and displayed too.

And it is really a nuisance to remove one's Jimmy's to put on the flippies (the shoe kind, you understand) when one moves from the mall to the 'desert'

portofino I know we have had our battles on this thread but can you really defend someone who says I spend a total of six weeks in Ibiza. How much more ostentatious do you want it to be? as responding to jealousy rather than trying to out-bling everyone else?

I obviously read it completely differently to you. I would happily spend 6 weeks in Ibiza. I would not set foot in Dubai.

You can get it all in Ibiza sans the human rights abuse.

Fair enough portofino but would you be doing it because is was soooo ostentatious and would you come on here bragging about it? I think not?

Yes Ibiza is all that, the drugs, binge drinking, the gangs intimidating young people into smuggling drugs.

Again, each to their own but I'm finding this thread stranger and stranger

I'm with you Starwars it would seem that anything to detract from the the righteous armchair warriors hypocrisy is fair game.

Sorry Limited
Just noticed your post and would like to respond if I can.

All employees in Dubai have to be sponsored by their employee. And employees have different obligations, depending on the type of employment. Large numbers of Indian workers aside, the workers are generally well cared for. Workers have to have health care provided by the employers, they had holiday pay and one paid for flight to their home land once every two years. Most have better provisions, including the expats, obviously.

I had private medical insurance, of course. But when I went into very early labour with DS2, the private hospitals very quickly sent me to the state hospital where all intensive care babies go. You have no idea how amazing they were. They stopped the labour and I had DS2 at 40 weeks. All medical care is free for everyone if you have a medical card or have a spouse with one. Which means everyone. And the care is amazing.

Some good, I think