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To not get why people hate Dubai so much?

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Cutitup · 16/09/2013 22:18

What is there to hate?

I think it's a great place to have a holiday. Great restaurants, great service, fab shopping and spa treatments.

I do understand the problems of domestic and construction staff being exploited but this is not a problem unique to Dubai. I just don't get the vitriol, the 'it has no culture' etc.. I say get out of the bitter farm and play with the hay!

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BlingBang · 22/09/2013 09:43

I don't think it's surprising that those who holiday or live there feel defensive considering what they have been called by some on this thread. I think if you are going to visit or live in a country you should do it with some kind of understanding as to how it works and any shortcomings there are but the derogatory remarks are shit and no wonder the issue of others hipocracy was fired back.

nkf · 22/09/2013 09:46

These arguments about Dubai remind me of the arguments people used to have about South Africa. People who went there loved it. The lifestyle, the servants, the jobs, the sense of superiority. And they hated people despising the place for its criminal justice system, its human rights record and its vulgarity. Different places, different people, same old same old.

caramelwaffle · 22/09/2013 09:48

Portofino has written out quite a list. I don't suppose gay or lesbian couples would have a totally relaxing time either.

Tasmania · 22/09/2013 20:26

nkf's South Africa comparison is very much spot on...

Tinlegs · 22/09/2013 20:41

Is Qatar as bad? I don't know it at all. Have visited Dubai and lived (as a child in Bahrain and Saudi. However, the worst teacher I have ever worked with is now teaching in Qatar having had a 100% failure rate in his classes in the UK so, the expensive education expats are paying for might be really shit.

A number of the people I know who have moved there / work there would not cut it in the same industry in the UK.

Portofino · 22/09/2013 22:00

Caramelle, yes I missed daring to be gay. That would not go down well either. I can understand the cognitive dissonance of those that have moved there I suppose as it does seem to offer a level of fabulousness that life in say Manchester might not offer. But why would you go on holiday somewhere where you can't kiss your husband in public? All the luxury in the world can't whisk away its faults IMHO.

Portofino · 22/09/2013 22:04

Tinlegs, I fear The ME is not the only recipient of shit teachers. We did a boot fair at the British school of Brussels. The older children were selling coffee and bacon rolls etc. Not one of them worked the change out correctly. My friend tutors kids from this school in maths. Fees are 25000 euros per year.

Tasmania · 22/09/2013 23:16

It is normal for many countries that actively try to attract expats for one reason or another (e.g. they don't have enough qualified people themselves, and people would not necessarily want to move there without compensation) to make do with someone who would not have been good enough in their country of origin.

I don't think that in the ME, there's a lot of competition for people from the UK. Even the British School in Brussels mentioned above has their hands tied when it comes to recruitment. They would both not have the kind of pool you could choose the best from, when compared to a Fortune 500 company in Manhattan or something.

Bearbehind · 23/09/2013 07:11

portofino I'd love to know what country you live in and where you holiday that allows you to have such superior views of your principles above others and gives your the right to comment on others cognitive dissonance?

Portofino · 23/09/2013 08:50

I dont have a superior view. I do not like Dubai and what it stands for and have explained my reasons why quite clearly on this thread. Nobody seems to have addressed any of these actual points - and bear, your bugbear seems to be other peoples principles. This is a discussion forum - I am entitled to my opinion. You are free to refute any of the points I made and tell me I am wrong about them.

Bearbehind · 23/09/2013 09:10

Funny that you didn't actually state which country you live in and where you holiday though. Seems to me that it is because your choices might actually be open for critisism and that your comments might just turn out to be entirely hypocritical.

I have never argued that Dubai is perfect, only that those who choose to visit or live there should not be criticised by people who don't actually demonstrate commitment to their beliefs in any way other than chastising people on an Internet forum.

LtEveDallas · 23/09/2013 10:00

Funny that you didn't actually state which country you live in and where you holiday though

No need for more Passive Aggressive posturing Bearbehind. If you read the post before its pretty clear where Porto lives, and if you have been on MN for some time you would know that, so I'm not sure why you need to post something like that, hinting that Porto is not being forthcoming. This is an interesting discussion that doesn't need the smoke and mirrors you are hiding behind.

Bearbehind · 23/09/2013 10:06

No smoke and mirrors from me, I have no idea where she lives, hence I asked her the question and she didn't answer.

That isn't being passive aggressive, it is asking a question and not getting and answer.

You managed to summise that i lived in Dubai when I don't, I have not seen any indication from portofino about where she lives so asked her rather than just guessed.

geekgal · 23/09/2013 10:07

I'm bisexual, female and Jewish - there's no way on this earth I would ever holiday in Dubai.

LtEveDallas · 23/09/2013 10:31

Bear, if you had just wanted to know where Porto lived you could have said "Porto, where do you live" and if she didnt reply you could have said "Porto, did you miss my question, I'm wondering where you live"

How much nicer and easier that would have been. The sarcasm and PA'ness was really not required.

(Oh and I explained why I thought you lived in Dubai, so no need to bring that up again either)

Bearbehind · 23/09/2013 11:32

lteevedallas I really don't think you are above accusations of passive aggressive behaviour with comments like I thought you had more insight than just a few holidays, that's all but this tittle tattle is really not contributing to the discussion.

I am genuinely intrigued as to where those who despise Dubai so much find it acceptable to live in and travel to. Dubai is not perfect but I am struggling to think of any holiday destinations that are.

If portofino does live where you alluded to then I concede she is completely beyond reproach for that as its only crime, in my opinion, is being the most dull place I have ever been to.

Serious question- which sunshine holiday destinations are acceptable in the opinion if those who are so vitriolic about Dubai?

FreudiansSlipper · 23/09/2013 11:38

most countries

i would not visit north korea

i would stay away from some countries at the moment due to problems there (egypt, afganistan, iraq)

i can not think of another country that is like Dubai that prides and promotes itself on being a wonderful holiday destination yet treats those that they rely on to offer this to tourists so appallingly

Portofino · 23/09/2013 11:43

Sorry - I mentioned that I was in Belgium several times on the thread already. It's not a secret. Grin at boring. Nowhere is perfect.

Bearbehind · 23/09/2013 11:44

Not even places in South Africa, India, China, Vietnam, some Caribbean Islands?? They all offer luxury holidays- what do they do differently then?

FreudiansSlipper · 23/09/2013 11:47

i have gone off on a tangent as it is unlikely that i would ever visits iraq or afganistan annd many other coutries

i am not keen on the Caribbean and the separation of wealthy tourists and locals

but like i said i can not think of a country that is comparable to Dubai for reasons given a number or times. there are many countries that have problems, bad human rights records including france but is is not the basis what their culture is based on that is all what i see of dubai, vast wealth, bling and the exploitation of desperate people oh and a few markets

BlingBang · 23/09/2013 11:49

I don't particularly want to live there or choose it as a holiday destination for many of the reasons covered. Just think the criticism of those who do is out of order.

FreudiansSlipper · 23/09/2013 11:51

South Africa is going through huge changes the recent history dictates how people are still living no one can deny that people have been exploited and still are but things are changing

India is a poor poor country and has a huge population it offers everything but not at the expense of just the desperate the same for Vietnam

Bearbehind · 23/09/2013 11:51

Sorry portofino- I missed that Blush

I really am not trying to be obtuse but I am genuinely trying to gauge where it is and is not acceptable by some to holiday.

I have not countered your arguments about Dubai because I can't but, in my opinion, there are worse places and Dubai is evolving which can't be said of everywhere.

BadLad · 23/09/2013 11:52

How are mixed race marriages received, and is my friends experience unusual?

DW and I (white male, Japanese female) have never had any problems at all; however, we have only ever been visiting, so not much experience of dealing with the bureacracy there.

My parents neighbours are a mixed race family - the man is white, his wife is black and the children are therefore mixed race. They have been there for quite a few years, and seem to like it. The wife has told me that once or twice there have been some rather red faces when older, white people from her husband's work have visited. When she opened the door, their first assumption was that she was the housemaid, and asked something like "Is sir in, or madam?".

I have heard of quite a few instances of black people and Indian people, especially men, being rather rudely turned away from nightclubs apparently on account of skin colour. I don't frequent nightclubs in Dubai, so I can't comment on the veracity of that.

It is normal for many countries that actively try to attract expats for one reason or another (e.g. they don't have enough qualified people themselves, and people would not necessarily want to move there without compensation) to make do with someone who would not have been good enough in their country of origin.

I don't agree with the implied assumption here that all expats are living abroad because they couldn't succeed in their own country.

Portofino · 23/09/2013 11:53

They are not RICH countries that import immigrant labour and treat them like shit.

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