to think if you can't control a primary school class without constantly bellowing you are not cut out to be a teacher?

[blobfish]

I gave up volunteering at DD's school because I was fed up of the teachers constantly shouting at the generally well-behaved kids. Not all the teachers, there were a couple of good ones who knew how to engage children and keep the classroom calm.

DD has been back at school a couple of weeks and is already worn down by the shouty teacher she's been lumbered with.

We're not a "delicate" family so she's not being a wimp, just fed up of trying her hardest but having to listen to her teacher bellow at the kids because she clearly has poor behaviour management skills.

AIBU to think shouty teachers should find another career?

Silver Interesting What you said about the Fire Alarm. The teacher told me it took him most of the morning to calm Dd down the first time they had a Fire Drill. The Noise frightened her half to Death

Who'd be a teacher. I don't think shouting occasionally will do the little darlings any harm.

dojo sadly yes... there are plenty

And yet you have left the profession' blowfish. Can I ask when you left teaching? I only ask as I have taught for a longer length of time Than you and have noticed a marked difference in children (mainly the over reliance on technology and media and lack of attention span) than when I first started and the dynamics have changed. It is not like it used to be. I project, but do not lose my temper. An outsider might interpret this differently.

I remember the golden days when I had just started my PGCE, but yet to set foot in a classroom, and I just knew all to well that a well-timed death stare would reduce a shouting child to a silent expectant yet eager learner. I would then use this stare child by child until eventually encompassing the entire class to get silence and co-operation.

I believe that lasted about 3 minutes into my first ever lesson. A good teacher has to learn by trail and error what works for them and THAT class. The last thing they need is people who-have-never-stood-in-front-of-class-for-an-appreciable-length-of-time being judgemental. Any teacher who 'magically' uses a salt shaker or similar has probably had YEARS of getting to that stage and then it may only last for a shortish period of time, before being needed to be replaced with something else.

Teaching is not as easier as it looks or is thought to be by any other than a teacher.

PS kids can be dreadful judges if a teacher is good/effective. You will often get very different opinions between two kids in the same class. Equally often you will get the same opinion from kids, who have very different abilities/needs etc., but are good friends - the other will always agree with the most popular kid.

Do you really think that there is a teacher in the world who wouldn't know that they had a child who was sensitive to sounds in their class

My teachers never seemed to know/care until I went to boarding school. The school bell hurt, the noise on the corridors was very unpleasant, teachers who felt the need to 'explain' everything at high volume were the bane of my life...hyper-sensitive hearing sucks (especially when very few people understand what it means).

Can't remember ever having a teacher shouting in Primary school! Used to happen a lot on secondary though, the teachers who did it all the time never got any respect and ended up with knackered voices! The teachers that were good only did it as an absolute last resort and got far more respect from the pupils.

Bliss - I'm blobfish - not blowfish!

I left teaching because I wanted to SAH whilst DD little. During this time I started my own business which I run from home. More profitable than teaching and allows me to pick up/drop off DD etc.

as a TA I find that the more noise the adults make the more noise the children do.

if you seldom raise your voice its far far more effective. if you constantly shout it is ineffective and counterproductive.

Sorry, you misunderstood me, blobfish (and I am Blissx if you are going to be picky). My point was that it was a bit rich for you to comment on recent teaching and classes as seriously, things have dramatically changed in just a couple of years. Even I am shocked at how the last two years have turned. You can't judge-it isn't fair.

Someone shouting so much that they are affecting my DD's enjoyment of school, and possibly her education, of course I'll judge! And teachers have been bellowing a lot longer than the past couple of years, though I doubt very much that children's behaviour has changed so much in that period of time.

I don't shout at school. I do shout at home though.

I'm a great teacher, but a shit parent.

I think you should just take your dd our of this school and stop moaning about it. Clearly you aren't happy with the teachers in it. Take action and stop complaining on an Internet forum, otherwise it just seems like you are trying to stir trouble and start the old 'teacher bashing' thread.

dd's teacher was great at this unruly class she would stop and put her hands on head/nose/elbow etc... and all the kids would copy if they were paying attention ... the last 2 would get 'name on the board' 2 of them and they lost 'golden time' :)

one of the DT's teacher (reception) has a 'look' like mummy.... :)

It's a discussion forum, LostMarbles99, and that's what I'm doing - discussing. Have no interest if teacher bashing, I have nothing but admiration and respect for the many good teachers - that's why I want the bad ones to quit. I don't see why my DD should miss out on the positive aspects of school - she's not doing anything wrong. For the first time, though, I am considering Home Ed.

StinkyElfCheese I'm trying to Master 'the look' as a Parent at the minute because I am getting sick of the sound of my own voice

But that is not what your original post inferred, blobfish (and I just type in blobfish into my iPad and it autocorretced to blowfish so have just changed it; which is what happened before. Is that ok?) . This damaging thread is not that clear cut and not every school /teacher is the same and yet your thread has brought out a vile vendetta against teachers and their methods in different environments and helps no one. As a former teacher, you should know that just one factor does not cause 'damage' if you see what I mean? I would have thought you would have had more common sense not to jump to conclusions. In addition, you wouldn't start a hateful thread, but deal with your one DD and solve her situation without the need for media.

Nah, you aren't discussing. The whole tone of your OP comes across as negative, antagonistic and teacher bashing.

Home ed would be best for your dd, I think.

Endoplasmic,

I find it hard to believe that anyone can 'constantly bellow' to be honest. Unless they are Brian Blessed clones!

I love Brian Blessed - he's a legend!

OP says the teacher is shit because he/she bellows constantly. I say constant bellowing is physically impossible unless you are Brian Blessed.

No she didn't say that. She said all teachers who shout are shit. Nothing specific about it.