to think if you can't control a primary school class without constantly bellowing you are not cut out to be a teacher?

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I gave up volunteering at DD's school because I was fed up of the teachers constantly shouting at the generally well-behaved kids. Not all the teachers, there were a couple of good ones who knew how to engage children and keep the classroom calm.

DD has been back at school a couple of weeks and is already worn down by the shouty teacher she's been lumbered with.

We're not a "delicate" family so she's not being a wimp, just fed up of trying her hardest but having to listen to her teacher bellow at the kids because she clearly has poor behaviour management skills.

AIBU to think shouty teachers should find another career?

I think Ive lived a sheltered life. Never Known my DC's Teachers to shout too loud. They dont raise their voice to get their attention neither. Dd's teacher shakes a tambourine they recognise that sound as sit down and Be quiet time. Ds's teacher starts to play the same Song which they recognise as tidy up and story time. Like I said...sheltered.

Must be very hard to do supply work depending on the school.

I agree Silver but what I'm saying is that typically, a group of children may enter and be noisy. I may shout over them (which is different to just bellowing) - "Right everyone, sit down please, books out!" and you'll get one, sometimes, who will wail "stop shouting!" when you WEREN'T, really, if you see what I mean!

It's quite difficult to explain I suppose! But it is different to just yelling because you are bad tempered or lost it.

Some people also just are noisy - I work next to a teacher like this, it drives me mad, but she doesn't shout exactly - just has a very ringing, carrying sort of voice. It's irritating for me but not the same as being screamed at either!

My DS who I admit is prone to chatting and not paying attention has a teacher who can silence him with just a look or a shake of the head.

I know which one I respect more........*

A couple of things Akray, 1. How old/experienced/with a management role/length of time at the school, etc. is the teacher? 2. How do you think they might have got the reputation that just a stare works in the first place?

It's also when some children either are over-acting as a challenge to the teacher, or some who always associate loud volume with anger and sometimes out-of-control parenting, so the volume links to fear.
Other children are noise-sensitive, but everything bothers them, from fire alarms to group level noise during activities.
Age makes a difference too, and general family background. I came from a very loud and noisy family, OH from near-silence.

I have a banana shaker that I use in younger classes, Misspixietrix.
Goes with a mini rap.

Misspixietrix which song does the teacher play? I need something calm to signal that it is tidy up time for my class.

Ineed - like I say, children will be silly about it. They will claim that any voice above a 'normal' level, which you do SOMETIMES need to use, if only to be heard over the kids, is you "shouting" and make pained expressions. I'm not just talking about me either. I was on break duty today and a teacher called to a boy "Rhys! Can you bring me your coursework?" She was calling to him as he was down the corridor, but two girls pulled faces and did the whole "she's shouting!" with pained expressions.

Of course, my point is that often the teacher ISN'T shouting, and it is advisable (I think) to check what is actually happening before complaining. No one, child or adult, should have to put up with being yelled at, but at the same time, when you have 30 people plus in a room, it isn't always possible to speak in a hushed tone, but there is a difference between calling to/over children to be heard, and yelling through bad temperedness. Unfortunately some children can be really cheeky and they know shouting isn't the "done thing" now, they will accuse teachers of shouting because they know it's frowned upon but the teacher isn't shouting!

What are your credentials to make the judgement that only a few of the teachers in the whole school are good?

Genuine question.

I think all the people who think classes should be controlled by the merest whisper should train as teachers. That would solve the problem at a stroke. See you in the classroom with your eggshakers, showing us how it is done!

When do parents ever need credentials?
They have their Judgypants and personal experience of being educated in school...what more do they need? Somewhat like the politicians making education policies.

Lol balia - so true!

I'm a secondary teacher. I hardly ever shout. It i do it's because a kid has driven me to the limit. Shouting knackers my voice. I will raise my voice to get a class quiet, but I too find the arm raising thing works faster.

Constant shouting usual means lack of control. I tend to shout at individuals on their own in detention to scare them!

I'm sure this doesn't apply to the op but I get so flipping pissed off with volunteers who waltz into our school and feel that just because they can work with a small group of (usually well behaved) children and listen to them read and have a jolly time, that if the teacher needs to shout they must be crap!

Silver that's a Brilliant Idea. Love the sound of that :) It used to Be Cheryl Cole's Song (that fight for your love one). Now Its one of Taylor Swift's old ones. They tend to choose upbeat ones that they tidy up to because they Know they get a playtime as a reward before doing work or quiet time

Ineedmorepatience
Firstly, children seem to have a remarkable sensitivity to noise these days. I have been teaching for ten years and in that time, the number of children who pull faces and clap their hands over their ears with anguished expressions because a teacher raises their voice to make a point

That part autumn!

Do you really think that there is a teacher in the world who wouldn't know that they had a child who was sensitive to sounds in their class or that Autumn was talking about an autistic child with one with any other sensory issues?

Sorry Sleepy that last part of my post was meant for you regarding the songs you asked about.

It is well known that any parent can teach much better than a teacher.

Orangeanddemons you have individuals in detention on there own and shout? Aren't you worried about accusations afterwards? Very risky.

Lazyjaney, only if they have one or two children that are their own!

My credentials? PGCE (Primary) and 10 years teaching experience - without bellowing.

I think all the people who think classes should be controlled by the merest whisper should train as teachers. That would solve the problem at a stroke. See you in the classroom with your eggshakers, showing us how it is done!

This x 10000

it was recommended to me by a senco...

and I was being a bit tongue in cheek.

Agree.

I'd like to see these amazing parents-come-teachers (with their egg shakers) pitch up to some if the school I've taught in.