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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

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Original poster

to be surprised by how many people are anti-immigration?

326 replies

Mimstar · 09/09/2013 18:48

I was called naive today. Apparently 'if you aren't concerned by immigration, you've got your head in wonderland'.

And I thought - actually, I know hardly anybody else who isn't anti-immigration.

I'm trying to understand this attitude, it seems so common nowadays. Maybe I do have my head in wonderland.

I'm so tired of hearing 'job stealers!' type comments.

OP posts:

SubliminalMassaging · 11/09/2013 12:08

Nor can they go to Dubai/ Saudi/ Singapore and live virtually tax free coming back to the UK with a stash of cash.

Why can't they? No-one's stopping them.

CairngormsClydesdale · 11/09/2013 12:33

I'm afraid I've had to report you for stalking me via chat history.

JakeBullet · 11/09/2013 12:36

Who Cairn? Not me I hope as I haven't seen your name except on this thread?

No inyerest in stalking anyone

This is a strange thread....going to hide it now.

SubliminalMassaging · 11/09/2013 12:41

Eh? What happened? What did I miss? Who has said what to make you think you've had your history 'stalked'?

It's have no idea what or who you are referring to, but there is no crime in looking at people's past posts. And I don't see why it's such bad form to refer to things people have said in the past or to challenge themif they contradict themselves either. If people don't lie or keep changing their story then it doesn't matter a jot if they are 'stalked' surely?

SubliminalMassaging · 11/09/2013 12:42

I'm off to look at Cairn's chat history now. it must be exciting.

LRDMaguliYaPomochTebeSRaboti · 11/09/2013 12:44

This is the second thread in the last few days that I've seen where someone claims it's against talk guidelines to use advanced search/memory. Is it?

SubliminalMassaging · 11/09/2013 12:48

I've looked and I'm still none the wiser what was said that has upset Cairn.

SubliminalMassaging · 11/09/2013 12:51

Not that I am aware LRD. And if it was then we would not have the capability to do it, surely?

I never understand why people get arsey about it. You put stuff on the interweb and it stays there. If you don't like it either be more careful about what you say, or NC often. but like I said, providing you are not a liar or a hyprocrite what are you afraid of?

Cairn is neither, as far as I can tell, from her limited history.

JaquelineHyde · 11/09/2013 14:09

I think MN need to clarify what has happened here as I am sure it is not against the chat rules to look up someone's chat history.

The only thing I can imagine is that the chat history was used to form a personal attack as this is the only reason a post could be deleted surely?

I'm going to report my own post and ask MN to clarify, I may even start a topic on it as it is ridiculous if post are going to be deleted just because someone dares look at a posters history.

takeaway2 · 11/09/2013 14:18

well you definitely can't go to Singapore and live vitually tax free - they have taxes there. lumping Singapore in with Dubai and Saudi is rather strange....

MNHQ

KateSMumsnet · 11/09/2013 14:20

Hullo all,

Thanks for bringing this to our attention JaquelineHyde.

It's not against our rules to look up someone's chat history, and it's not necessarily against the guidelines to bring it up on a thread. Though obviously, as JaquelineHyde said - it would be if done in a way that breaks our talk guidelines.

The other thing that we have issue with is if it was done in a way that was accusatory to the OP.

To use the classic kitkat example - say I had posted saying that I'd had an allergic reaction to kitkats, and you'd given me loads of helpful advice about how to avoid kitkats in the future. If I were then to started thread saying "AIBU to eat this massive kitkat for my lunch", you'd be quite within your rights to say, "hang on KateS, seeing as you had a nasty reaction to a kitkat recently, it might be best to give it a miss". However, it wouldn't be ok to say "God, you know that's going to kill you - you're either lying about your allergy or are desperate for attention you silly cow". In the latter example, my posting history has been used to attack me, and infer that I am making stuff up (troll hunting).

Hope that makes sense!

JaquelineHyde · 11/09/2013 14:33

Thanks KateS, that was very prompt!

JakeBullet · 11/09/2013 14:34

Thanks for clarifying that Kate.

Still confused about who has upset Cairns or said something on thread. She hasn't been back so hope she is okay and not had a crappy PM or anything.

Hope I didn't say anything on thread that upset her..if I did then it wasn't intentional. I just know how difficult it is to obtain housing for people. Too much experience of dealing with housing depts in my job.

If it was me that said the wrong thing however unintentionally Cairns then I apologise. ...I honestly have not looked you up...am sure MN could clarify that too.

JakeBullet · 11/09/2013 14:35

Thanks for clarifying that Kate.

Still confused about who has upset Cairns or said something on thread. She hasn't been back so hope she is okay and not had a crappy PM or anything.

Hope I didn't say anything on thread that upset her..if I did then it wasn't intentional. I just know difficult it is to obtain housing for people. Too much of dealing with housing depts in my job.

If it was me that said the wrong thing however unintentionally Cairns then I apologise. ...I honestly have not looked you up...am sure MN could clarify that too.

takeaway2 · 11/09/2013 15:14

eh? what's happened?

slug · 11/09/2013 15:59

Every time I go through passport control I get asked what the reason for my indefinite leave to remain visa is. Normally I tell them the standard line about having lived/worked in the UK under a grandparent vias for 4 years then on the basis of that being granted permanent residence.

Occasionally, if I'm tired or pissed off I tell them it's because I do a job that, apparently, Brits are incapable of managing to do themselves.

takeaway2 · 11/09/2013 16:03

slug - do you ever worry they might lock you up or something for saying that?!?! :) I've always been tempted.

every time I go through passport control I get asked the same thing... and IT REALLY ANNOYS ME because the system doesn't allow for them to trust that proper checks were done at another dept, my company hasn't been fraudulent in declaring me as an employee etcetc! surely if they trust that their colleagues had done a thorough job then the questionning ceases to be relevant?

slug · 11/09/2013 16:07

Nah. My best friend is an immigration lawyer. I have him on speed dial

JakeBullet · 11/09/2013 16:53

@ slug.

Crappy state of affairs though isn't it, you shouldn't have to go through that.

WidowWadman · 11/09/2013 18:25

Havea0 "My son works in a EU country. Will he want to permanently live there? No idea. But no way does he or I think that he is entitled to live there.
If they want him, fine. If they dont, that is up to them. It is up to the collective citizens of that particular country."

It's not up to the collective citizens of that particular country. He is entitled because of the reciprocal agreements ensuring freedom of labour until/unless the UK are stupid enough to pull out of the EU.

Havea0 · 11/09/2013 18:37

I was going to write to your comment, that it is more accurate to have written "it is up to the collective citizens of the EU", but still feel that it is up to the collective citizens of a particular country.

Because, ultimately, if a large number of citizens in this country say, well we wont be paying our taxes until the Government does such and such, then the Governement may choose to do something different. Yes, they will have to have discussions in Brussels etc, but if push really came to shove,they may choose to do something.

WidowWadman · 11/09/2013 20:20

Ah you mean the government being bullied into breaching contractual agreements?

Havea0 · 11/09/2013 20:24

The law is constantly being rewritten.

JaquelineHyde · 11/09/2013 21:16

Have you are grasping at straws to try and make a point!

BelleJolie · 11/09/2013 22:21

Mangotiramisu. The figures for emigration also include those who were immigrants returning to their home countries, making the real figures for UK-born citizens leaving even lower. The number one reason given for people emigrating is work opportunity. Some of these people return. A 2008 study by the Organisation of Economic Co-operation and Development suggests a third of British-born people living overseas are highly-skilled university graduates, suggesting two-thirds are not.

I don't really see how emigration completely cancels out all benefits to immigration.

The reality is that the birth rate in the UK is too low to support an ageing population. There is a risk that there will be not enough people of working age around to support the pensions and healthcare of those no longer working. Immigration can help with that.

Are those who are anti-immigrants/immigration prepared to sacrifice those things in their old age? Do they have plans to be self-funded retirees?

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