To agree with the Headmistress to send home pupils who do not conform to regulation school uniform.

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I am totally fed up with school pupils who look a mess and are not dressed in correct or regulation school uniform. I never understand why many schools allow 6th form pupils free will in their choice of clothes.

I think that if pupils are unable to abide by school uniform regulations what hope of they got when they leave school and are going to interviews.

I believe that all school pupils including 6th form pupils should wear a regulation school blazer and school tie so they can show which school they go to.

Headmistress like Leslie ellis are standing up for standards that have been in decline since the 1970"s and need to be fully supported in their desire to hold standards to at least the very shoddy standards that pupils display today. I for one am delighted that a head was prepared to take ridicule and derision in standing up for standards.

After reading the constant criticism of leslie ellis i thought it was time that someone stood up for a upstanding member of the teaching profession.

Balls, OP. Kids use these words knowing exactly what their impact will be and then hide behind the 'oh, it's only in jest' line. Which is vile. And if you are condoning it, I suggest you check the fit of the shoe.

I most certainly did not call kids from other schools names, my parents would have come down like a ton of bricks if I had. And so should you. Be ashamed of yourself.

When you were kids did you not call other kids from rival schools!

Indeed I did not!

I've heard that before. It's OK to call people names because it's just a joke. The victim of name calling just doesn't have a sense of humour. . Op let me give you a useful piece of advice, being on the receiving end of name calling is horrible, in fact it feels vile. Empathy is another valuable lesson for teenagers to learn.

I wonder what you and your daughter would call myself and my colleagues if you saw our work clothes. I dread to think and that's us following what are actually quite strict rules. Luckily we don't have to fork out £100s for it.

It needs to be noted that a uniform can be smart without being really expensive.

to call other people scalleys and laugh at others dress sense is vile actually and nasty.

that's what I taught my kids anyway.

we judge people on how they are not how they look, what school they go to or how much money they have.

horrible values.

Op I never called children from other schools names. If I had my parents and teachers would have meted out hefty punishment.

Actually as well as being grounded they would receive the tongue lashing from hell. There was a girl at the comp whose antics at 12 would have made most people's hair curl and I think she should have been excluded because no-one at the school had the skill to deal with her. DD - two years away from it and still hearing the odd snippet through Facebook now says "it's so sad, I'm sure x was the way she was because she's got so many half siblings and they live all over the place and she's had four "dads". I couldn't believe this girl's behaviour and I still think mainstream school is possibly the wrong place for her. My dd couldn't cope at the time but I'm very very proud that she has love in her heart.

Actually as well as being grounded they would receive the tongue lashing from hell. There was a girl at the comp whose antics at 12 would have made most people's hair curl and I think she should have been excluded because no-one at the school had the skill to deal with her. DD - two years away from it and still hearing the odd snippet through Facniebook now says "it's so sad, I'm sure x was the way she was because she's got so many half siblings and they live all over the place and she's had four "dads". I couldn't believe this girl's behaviour and I still think mainstream school is possibly the wrong place for her. My dd couldn't cope at the time but I'm very very proud that she has love in her heart.

married I think it's great your daughter is willing to consider the girl's background at 14. I think I was probably in year 12 before I was willing to think anything other than "s/he's a..." about the behaviour of children I'd encountered years earlier!

married I hope the OP reads your last post and sees the difference in attitude. I hope you're proud of your DD and the way you've raised her.

My DD was smacked in the face just for wearing her school blazer. Two girls from THAT school were waiting for DD when she got off the bus and just ran up to her and hit her.

We knew the school, the ages "16"and names of the culprits. When we rang the school to report that my DD had been attacked, the schools response was "DD SHOULD NOT WEAR HER BLAZER" because it might inflame our girls. Luckly DD was not hurt, but what should you call these type of people.

DD and friends when leaving the school bus have to take a torrent of foul mouthed abuse all from the pupils of this school. My DD and friends have only resorted to calling back after months of abuse. No i do not condone calling people names. I know all about being "POOR" having grown up on council estates and having parents that would spend money on booze and fags rather than proper school uniform for me.

My DD and her friends have only resorted to calling back after months of abuse.

Sounds like the schools need to broker some sort of peace agreement.

Your poor DD. Although name calling won't help in the long run. It is understandable from a teenager, especially in this situation though.

The problems sound as if they run much deeper than uniforms though. Saying that, the uniforms might be adding to a certain sort of tribalism, making children from each school easily identifiable.

Eh OP when my ds was 11/12 and in the junior school he had to catch the public bus home ( I work full time). His blazer was scarlet. I arranged with school that he left his blazer at school and he wore an anonymous black anorak on the way home. Common sense. Although they were a loving school and a few weeks later detoured the school bus for the boys in our neck of the woods.

The head of our "school" has tried to speak to the head of "that" school.That school dont want to get involved, they say its not in school time or on school premises so are not responsible.

Could the reason "that" school dont need to get involved is because some of the culprits are not wearing "SCHOOL UNIFORM" and so cannot be I.D, how lucky and convenient for them.

OP. Please! When. You're. In. A. Hole. Stop. Digging.

I've no doubt you are a nice lady at heart who has gone above and beyond the call of duty for her DC but this approach isn't helping you and isn't helping the disenfranchised.

Thanks for supportive comments. I've had to learn many things the hard way and have tried to make sure the DC are more rounded than me and DH. Him in one direction and me in another. Being a parent is very very hard, even when everything is right. DS's latest is that we've disadvantaged him by letting him be privileged [ouch emoticon]!

mmmn yes but of a drip feed here op. wonder why?

to be honest all the girls involved sound very nasty ANC a but childish.

where we live there are 3 huge schools, 2 high school mixed comps and one huge boarding/ day school and dd has friends in all of them. there is no trouble among the pupils who mix freely. they are all nice kids.

if your dd has been assaulted you should involve the police.

Op the behaviour you describe is disgusting but one of the things I try and teach my children is that 2 wrongs do not make a right and that if someone is abusive to you should strive to not lower yourself to their standards.

Some schools have uniforms that are so restrictive in which brands you buy that they easily cost £600 per year. I simply cannot afford that, I have to save and budget strictly to buy uniform as it is. It is NOT ad you suggest because I spend my money on booze and fags, I neither drink nor smoke and your suggestion is offensive. The only way I'd be able to afford a £600 uniform is to start skipping meals again. You probably think it's selfish of me but I don't want to do it again because the impact it had on my health was enough to put my job on the line due to my drop in efficiency. Losing my job would make us worse off and even less able to afford things. Despite what you chose to believe there are 1000s of families out there who work hard, spend sensibly and yet cannot afford to spend several hundred on a uniform. It doesn't mean they don't care about discipline or their child's education.

So it wasn't in jest as you said earlier?

Hmm.

Well, sounds like you're having a hard time OP. sorry about your dd.

Respect to you Married and your dd.

Come on. Drop the attitude and talk OP. You sound worried.

Aren't the only people wearing suits to work these days Estate Agents and other similar sales roles. Mostly ill fitting cheap supermarket polyester suits, so crap polyester uniform for the kids would seem pretty good prep. for that.

The majority of people in jobs don't wear suits though, so don't know about them, seems a bit more pointless.

God school uniform, and those obsessed with it, make me fume. It's ugly, badly made of nasty synthetic material (DS's school specifies 'no cotton trousers' ) de-humanising, deliberately humiliating and fails to prepare children for anything other than MacDonalds, air hostessing or the army.

People who bang on about something so petty and superficial as school uniform. Also, you've already won. Relax. You've achieved your petty little aim. Thanks to you I will be spending hours laundering horrible nylon shirts and bottle green jumpers for more than a decade to come. Don't start dictating what colour socks should be you weird perverts.

Honestly to me it feels punitive. Deadening. Like prison uniforms, designed to humiliate and further crush out any flare or personality left in the pupils.

And unless they're planning a career in MacDonalds or the army forcing them all to wear the same clothes prepares them for nothing apart from resentment.

annemary or maybe its that if the children can't positively be identified as part of "that school" they are not under the control of them. This is not a uniform issue, this is a divided community issue.

Why haven't you gone to the police about your DD being assaulted in a public space?

OP, I am sorry to hear that you and your family are having to put up with this kind of violent behaviour, but can you not see that a uniform in THAT school wouldn't resolve a thing?

spidermama my DDs' schools don't specify socks, so the DDs tend to go to school with wildly colourful socks, always worn as odd socks. Strangely enough this does not seem to have affected their academic achievements, nor has it destroyed law and order in their schools.

Mines. My DH is a "Superintendent" and he has told me not to involve the "POLICE" because it will make DS /DD targets. ALso DD when attacked gave as good as she got despite being "14" yr9.

She was also not hurt and DH said it was not in DS/DD intrests to prosecute because as well as becoming a "target" she gave as good as she got. The incident took place in july and i believe the girls responsible have joined the 6th form at that school on a vocational course.

my DH would go "BALLISTIC" if he knew i had posted this. DH says the schools have to deal with this not the "POLICE".

Says as much about the state of the police as the state of schools OP. Right and wrong eh?