To agree with the Headmistress to send home pupils who do not conform to regulation school uniform.

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I am totally fed up with school pupils who look a mess and are not dressed in correct or regulation school uniform. I never understand why many schools allow 6th form pupils free will in their choice of clothes.

I think that if pupils are unable to abide by school uniform regulations what hope of they got when they leave school and are going to interviews.

I believe that all school pupils including 6th form pupils should wear a regulation school blazer and school tie so they can show which school they go to.

Headmistress like Leslie ellis are standing up for standards that have been in decline since the 1970"s and need to be fully supported in their desire to hold standards to at least the very shoddy standards that pupils display today. I for one am delighted that a head was prepared to take ridicule and derision in standing up for standards.

After reading the constant criticism of leslie ellis i thought it was time that someone stood up for a upstanding member of the teaching profession.

Pointy things. It was not trousers it was ripped Jeans and to have the right to Smoke in the classrooms. it was about destroying the teachers from the first moment of the day to the end of the day every day. Granted most of them were very "poor" and thankfully that type dont teach today. My Group/Gang had absolutely no respect for them after the 1984 "Teachers Strike" most of them resembeling a character from Grange Hill called "SCRUFFY MCGUFFY".

My DD/DS schools have very high standards of dress for the teachers and support staff. At DSs school all male teachers when in the classroom have to wear a suit and tie like the pupils. At DDs school all the Female staff must wear a trouser suit or skirt and suit and the male staff must wear jacket and tie . It is just as important in fact more important that the teachers and school staff are as smart if not smarter than the pupils.

Fair enough, OP - obviously that was not a sensible protest then. I'm also glad to see that your school enforces uniform standards for staff too, at least there's no hypocrisy there.

The fact remains that uniforms are a symptom, not a cause of school improvement. If my older DD's school decides to mandate business dress in 6th form when she gets there, I will be sending her to one of the top 6th form colleges in Cambridge, where I work - they have no uniform and achieve stellar results.

Oh, and my mother used to be a teacher in Holland. She used to teach wearing jeans and a tie-dye top and wild earrings. She had no discipline issues whatsoever because she was tough, and she got first-rate results. Respect for teachers comes from their behaviour, not from what they're wearing - or from what pupils are wearing, come to that. Most of Europe seems to understand that.

The only uniform my DS cares about is the out of school Made in Chelsea one. DD doesn't generally care but even she has had highlights on the naturally blonde long hair. Yep out of school uni - DS has the shoes, the hair, the right tshirt, the right jeans, the right jacket. DD's all skinnies, ankle boots and long graphic print knitted long tunic/dress thing. They look lpvely but non conformist they aint. Plucks up courage to tell them.

Oh the two week time table. Yes we don't miss that from the top 100 comp. Made reinforcing homework a total joke that did. And dd spent two years with 100cwt of books on her back lest she forget one for the next class and be bollocked by a teacher pretending to be a fishwife. Whoever thought that one up should be nowhere near a school.

Two week timetables? I didn't even know such things existed, for which I am truly thankful...

Taking the "p" pointy? I'm hopeless at working out this stuff

Marriedin white. Baring in mind there are 164 Grammar Schools in the country . Do you mean in the top 264 State schools since 95 % of Grammar Schools will be higher up than a top 100 comp.

married, no, not taking the p*, genuinely shocked that such a thing as a 2-week timetable could exist. I live a very sheltered life educationally. You have my absolute and unqualified sympathy.

Yes. An exceptionally academic comp - just with a ratjer vulgar intake producing children I wouldn't like mine to emulate. My old grammar isn't up there btw.

I remembered this link from a previous thread about school uniform:

www.suttontrust.com/news/news/smaller-classes-uniforms-and-primary-homework-among/

Essentially the research found that there was no evidence that school uniform improved academic performance.

I think we have been brainwashed in Britain to see strict school uniform as a cipher for a good school. It has become a distraction for some Heads. They waste time and effort on enforcing impractical uniform rules rather than focusing on managing the school.

www.suttontrust.com/news/news/smaller-classes-uniforms-and-primary-homework-among/

the two week timetable seems to be quite the thing where I am. DCs' (unutterably crap) school has had it for a couple of years now. I really struggle to see what the point of it is.

It's funny really, one of the few rules at my children's school is that hey are not allowed to wear anything that could be construed as showing gang membership. In some areas of the UK the school uniform is used in exactly the same way, to mark out different sides in a conflict situation.

We had a couple of schools that got into a bad place where I used to live, and organised to meet up en mass for a big fight. When they arrived the place was swarming with police who sorted things out very fast indeed.

both schools had 'smart' uniforms (and were as I recall in special measures)

Actually 10-20% were horrid OP - most girls were lovely. The school however did nothing to deal with the behaviour of a small minority although there was a strict uniform both heavily policed and very expensive. So, it boiled down to priorities: assault and disruption were OK; a rolled up skirt wasn't.

I'm sorry you had a rough time OP but it wasn't just that schools fault? I'm glad you are in a better place and your dc have a good, loving home and hope for their futures. But knowing what awful lives some of those DC have, doesn't it make you want to get involved with initiatives to make it better. My DH always had a grudge because his parents wouldn't pay for him to learn an instrument - that's something he did something about at the DC's primary. I find it hard to reconcile how much you seem to detest those whom you know are fighting against chaos and deprivation when you know what they go home to face and the bravado they adopt. It makes me feel very sad OP.

I can understand the school wanting pupils to abide by the school uniform code. What I cannot understand is why the skirts and trousers have to have a logo. That's ridiculous and adds so much cost to things you can get anywhere for as much/little money as you want to spend. Black shoes, not trainers, white shirts, ties, blazer, black/grey skirt/trousers and blazer and you're sorted. As soon as you add logos to stuff it massively ups the cost.

At the DC's school, they've just changed the uniform (last year, actually). Those who have the old uniform are allowed to wear it for as long as it still fits, but if they buy anything new, then they have to buy stuff in the new colours.

To me its no coincendence that the best behaved schools where i live are the Grammar schools.That is because they have the highest Academic standards and dress standards. You always know which schools have been let out because the standard of behaviour is vastly different between"High schools" and "Grammar Schools".

Expat, it has more to do with the social selection of their intake, statistically speaking, but I am sure a lot of people think it's because of putting a lot of polyester on kids and making them say 'Sir' all the time.

FWIW my school had a rigidly implemented, specially woven Harris Tweed uniform that would probably cost a four figure sum these days, yet in many ways we could be quite feral when the mood took us.

You also know what time it is The high schools let them out at barely 3 o clock the Grammar Schools Closer to 4 o clock. The behaviour on the buses at 3 o clock is appalling with their Swearing rudeness and general lack of respect for their school or themselves.

I was taught by family that you become like your surrondings and the expectations of the people around you, "Uniforms" are one way to show that you are prepared to accept standards and "ACHIEVE FOR THE BLAZER" your best. Sadly i see some of the High School pupils causing mayhem. Yes i have seen bad behaviour from the Grammar School Pupils, but when you tell him they will be reported the behaviour improves . The High School pupils just carry on "WHAT YOU GONNA DO" C**.

Uniforms just show that you are prepared to wear a uniform.

JudgeJudy -- DS's school phased in new uniform on the same grounds.

DS, who preferred the old one, stubbornly wore his (bright yellow) yr 7 polo shirts intermittently right up to yr 11 instead of the new white ones, on the grounds that they still fitted.

I hate uniform, particularly in primary school. I think it is a complete waste of money and generally makes young people look hideous . Attractive uniforms in natural fibres are as rare as hens teeth. A few public schools have decent uniforms and that in itself is a reason I am against them. The proles are left with teflon coated polyester and maroon acrylic jumpers.

Boffinmum-I had a Harris tweed uniform too- I loved it, still have it upstairs!