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Is this abuse (long)

105 replies

Thefemaleunicorn · 20/08/2013 09:06

Dh and I have been married 10yrs and have 3 dcs aged 8,5,2.

We have always had a firey relationship ie blazing rows before we had kids but they were a rare thing balanced by a strong relationship. We've had some rough times, dh has been diagnosed with depression after his family rejected me and tried to sabotage our relationship (offered me money to not marry him etc) but mainly from his work and he left a bullying boss recently. He had a nervous breakdown last year after bring made redundant. He doesn't cope well with family life says he is 'married with kids when he should be having fun' to quote the song. It also idolises the children and is great with them 90% of the time........

Since his depression started (2yrs) he has been short fused, he put me in a head lock one night and swung me round the room - I hit him back then called the police but he ripped the phone out of the wall. The police arrived anyway and gave him a warning. I then asked him to stay at his parents for a while which he did. He then started losing it with the kids mainly when they are naughty he can't control himself and has picked them up by the shoulders and shook them, has thrown them down on the bed etc. never hits them but 'man handles' them. He mainly picks on ds 5. He flicks his ear, shouts at him, shakes him, grabs him by the arm which has left marks. Yesterday I was working from home and was on the phone to a client ds comes to the office room and dh says no don't go in there ds ignores him next thing ds is screaming and dh has lost shouting at him ds is on the floor with a big hand print under his armpit where dh grabbed him. Dh said he was stopping him coming in.

This behaviour is 10% of the time. The rest of the time I couldn't wish for a better dad to the kids or husband. He plays with them takes them to soft play etc.

I told him to get anger mgt counselling or he would have to leave that was a year ago. He's having the counselling and it got better but its started again.

I told his parents and they said he's never been like that until I came along. They told me they would want custody of the three dcs and they are top drs so would hire a top solicitor.

Dh is terrified I will leave him. I've told him to stay away this week. I'm not a shrinking violet, I have told him it has to stop or he lives away and sees the kids at weekends. I've started logging times and photos of what he's done to the children and I can't let him keep doing this, I have to protect them.

My friend says I'm over reacting that dh is lovely and its obviously depression related. Dh is mortified and says he hates himself and that he is gutted. My mum and sister say its sad but I have to do something.

I'm on mat leave but a out to go back to work, I have no money but will have shortly.

I feel like running away with the kids. I am so soul destroyed. Please fellow mums - help me. What should I do?

Have also posted in relationships as new to this.

OP posts:
bulletwithbutterflywings · 20/08/2013 09:08

I'm sorry I didn't read the whole OP. I got as far as 'he put me in a headlock and swung me round the room'. Of course its abuse. Please get away from him!

bulletwithbutterflywings · 20/08/2013 09:11

I've read the whole thing now, it just gets worse. If you stay with him you are complicit in what he is doing to your children. Call women's aid, they will help you plan how to end the relationship safely.

Mitzyme · 20/08/2013 09:12

Get off the Internet and get help now. This is very serious but there is support and help, women's aid will give you really good advice and support. But do it now. Good luck.

welshfirsttimemummy · 20/08/2013 09:14

I'm sorry bit yes its abuse. Not only to you but to your children. You are right, you have to protect them. Now he has gone for the week don't let him back. I can't imagine how scared your children must get when your DH gets angry. Horrible situation for you, but even if its only 10% off the time its too much. Should be 0%.

StuntGirl · 20/08/2013 09:15

YES it is abuse.

He is visciously abusing you AND your children and using depression as am excuse. Leaving him sounds the only sensible solution.

Do you have somewhere safe to go? Do you have real life friends you can talk to about this?

Please contact Women's Aid for advice - don't worry about him or his parents right now; you need to protect yourself and your children.

www.womensaid.org.uk/
0808 2000 247

delilahlilah · 20/08/2013 09:15

Kick him out until he can be around your children safely. You are currently letting him hurt them I'm afraid. Ignore his parents, it's clear where he gets his bullying antics. They will not get custody of your children if you put him out for this. The courts would see that you have acted in your children's interest.

jammiedonut · 20/08/2013 09:18

Yes, it is. It may 'only' be 10% of the time, but that is 10% too much.
I think you need to consider what you want. Do you want to attempt to salvage a relationship with your dh I.e by him seeking counselling, attending anger management, or is it past the point of reconciliation?
He certainly needs to address his behaviour either way if he wants to be around your children.
Oh and ignore his parents. Every violent person starts expressing themselves physically at some point, it's not relevant at all that he didn't do it before you, and you (and your children) are not to blame.
My dad didn't hit his children before he divorced my mum, but she doesn't blame herself when he started to, and neither did we (bit garbled, makes sense in my head).

StuntGirl · 20/08/2013 09:21

Aside from the warning from the police for the headlock incident do you have any other evidence of his abuse? Other police reports? Have you been to the doctors with any injuries? Had the school involved? Any of these will help you greatly.

Someone with more experience will come along and give you better practical advice soon. I'm very sorry you're having to go through this.

Nanny0gg · 20/08/2013 09:22

Abuse? Physical, mental and emotional.

And your 'friend' needs ditching.

Glad you've posted in Relationships. Lots of MNers in there with fantastic advice to give.

Don't let him back.

lurcherlieber · 20/08/2013 09:26

OP, whether depression related or not, he doesnt sound as though he is in control of his actions and they are getting increasingly vicious. You really dont know what he could do when he next blows up on you or the children. You know the facts, your mum and sis are pathetic support and should stay out of it if you and the kids are not their primary concern. I can understand how if you only see the behaviour that he displays 90% of the time it would be shocking, but if anyone told me what their DP had done i would take it seriously.

You need to continue to log these incidents and seek legal advice. Ive heard that its extremely hard for a man to get legal custody so having documented the abuse should assist you even more. His parents are horrible for attempting to justify his disgusting behaviour. They should be ashamed of themselves.

lurcherlieber · 20/08/2013 09:27

I meant your friend, not mum and sis!

SellbyDate · 20/08/2013 09:27

Hi O.P. Well done for seeking advice and support.

Yes, he has left marks on your DC, thrown them on the bed 'picks on' your DC. This constitutes physical and emotional abuse. He has also physically abused you.

Have you got someone to help you to leave? If you are unable to protect your children from his aggressive outbursts while you are living in the same house then it really is your only option. You know it's not o.k for your DC to be subjected to this, even if it's 10% of the time it's not o.k.

As for his parents. Ignore them. They sound like a fucking nightmare to be honest. My hunch is that they know he's a loose cannon and there are probably dynamics in their family historically that you know nothing about (as there are in most families) and their attitude towards you is actually nothing to do with you and in fact, all about them.

Your DH would be highly unlikely to gain custody of your DC. You have taken photos of injuries, you know the next step needs to be leaving.

Children are really resilient and if you can show them that this isn't o.k by leaving and providing them with a calmer home where they won't get hurt then I'm sure they will be fine.

If you feel that you are going to get into a situation where you are having legal battles and counter accusations, do contact your local Social Services and ask for support and advice to protect the children. They will probably leave you to your own devices to manage things but will want to ensure that you have the support you need to get out and also, importantly, will be able to log the incidents you have mentioned so if you H makes life difficult for you, a public body will have knowledge of the situation and see that you have acted to protect the DC.

All the best.

firesidechat · 20/08/2013 09:31

The 90% of the time that he spends being "nice daddy" is totally irrelevant. It's the 10% that they will remember and that will damage them.

I wouldn't want my children to live with that and I hope I would have the strength to leave, but I'm not you.

Thefemaleunicorn · 20/08/2013 09:34

Thanks. I have talked to dh about separating while he gets help - that was about two mths ago. He agreed to leave, he works away a lot anyway so will stay away with work. So I think he would go away for a while with no great fuss. He is a very reasonable man about it and will go if I ask him. I'm just terrified if the power of his family.

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SellbyDate · 20/08/2013 09:34

When i say, leave you to your own devices, they will of course need to ensure DC are safe and physical abuse is investigated.

From my experience. And I can only go by what you have said and don't know anything else about your situation, providing you are demonstrating you can protect them (by leaving) they will have nothing to pursue. People think Social Care are there to be punitive but they are actually supportive too. Use them if you think that things could get legally difficult and you don't feel that your DC would be safe having unsupervised contact with their Dad after you leave

Sorry, I know that sounds a bit alarmist but if you get things as clear as you can now, things'll be less complicated later hopefully.

pigletmania · 20/08/2013 09:38

Op you have to let go of this relationship it is abuse, not only is he doing this to you but your kids. Keep,asking photos and logging incidences. Don't worry about custody , inam not a legal Egeal, but I don't thinnk the courts will award custody to an abusive parent, in that case the other aren't would get custody not te gradndoarents, unless they were unfit to look after te children, but you seem to be a lovely mother whomisvmorevtan capable of looking after her children. Just getaway from him!

SellbyDate · 20/08/2013 09:39

I'm just terrified if the power of his family

Yes his family sound awful, actually his behaviour is awful too. You must feel really stressed out and exhausted.

Do you acknowledge that he has physically abused his children?

JugglingFromHereToThere · 20/08/2013 09:42

I think you should split up from H due to his behaviour towards both you and your DC.
I think everyone would be happier (especially your DC who deserve to feel secure and loved all the time) if H saw them at the weekends, possibly with you or in some other supervised way.
Sadly I don't think he's cut out for full time family life/ fatherhood (as he keeps telling you actually, by singing that song)
His parents would never get custody of the children over you, please don't worry about that.

SellbyDate · 20/08/2013 09:46

..Also, i am sorry to say this but Abuse doesn't just stop. Dynamics don't just change after a break.

Depression and anxiety and MH problems are not a reason for Abuse.

It is a choice. your DC are young and they have a whole childhood ahead and having it punctuated with violence and fear and anxiety inflicted by your DH isn't what you want for them.

It sounds like you hold a lot of hope that your DH can change. There is nothing wrong with hope but if it blurs your judgement to the degree that it is going to lead to you not being able to keep your DC safe then it's a problem.

Have your DC said how they feel while you are taking photos of injuries etc,?

pigletmania · 20/08/2013 09:48

His parents sound bloody awful wanting to separate children from their mum unnecessarily. No I don't believe that tey would get custody why should they, just because they have money!

goodmum123 · 20/08/2013 09:54

What sellbydate said. Much love x

Thefemaleunicorn · 20/08/2013 09:59

Ds sees it as a game at the moment - as dh never actually hits him as such he grabs him ds does the same back to him. It's difficult.

OP posts:
SellbyDate · 20/08/2013 10:06

Also... regarding his family.

They are enabling his abusive behaviour. You have not suggested once that he has every really stuck up for you or protected you from their horribleness.

That in itself is not very good behaviour from a husband. They sound like a toxic family and perhaps your strength and inability to fall into toxic patterns with them is what has been problematic for them. Abuse is often cyclical and can run in families. You are breaking a cycle and it's bloody hard to do that. But you can do it and your DC will grow up knowing that it's 'NOT O.K' rather than developing abusive mechanisms as your DH has.

Perhaps with some fierce soul searching your DH will see things more clearly, but please please don't believe that he can do that while he still has you all close at hand and a toxic family in the background.

As some other people have suggested, contact womens aid. They are great actually. Just having someone to talk to while you make decisions and think through the best way to approach the situation is helpful.

Perhaps you could do this when he goes away.

Snazzyenjoyingsummer · 20/08/2013 10:08

His parents reckon they want custody? I seriously doubt it would have a chance whatever solicitors they can afford. But you need to make it clear that you are protecting your children from abuse. It is abuse. Picking on your 5yo is an awful, shameful thing to do and however depressed he might be that is no excuse. Plenty of people have severe depression but don't take it out on their kids.

Nanny0gg · 20/08/2013 10:12

If you have evidence (even if you haven't) speak to the police now. Get advice and get it known.

That would seriously weaken any potential case (bear in mind, GPs have no rights over your children anyway) that his parents want to pursue,

Then see a solicitor.