AIBU to be shocked & angry that my DM and DMIL are not on my marriage certificate?!

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I married in 2001 in Church of England church. I've recently realised that my DF and DFIL's names are on there but not DM and DMIL's.

I can't seem to find out from googling if this is still the case in Church of England marriages or in registry offices.

I can see some images of civil partnership certificates on line which do show mothers.

Anyone get married recently who can let me know what their certificates say?

AIBU to be upset that mothers are invisible on these important documents?

Rootvegetables was that a civil ceremony or church?

You're wasting time with the Church, you need to petition the GRO and the Home Office, they're the ones responsible for Registration legislation. The Church can do nothing by itself.

The piece of paper is the same where ever the marriage takes place. All birth and death certificates are the same why would a marriage certificate be different.

It should be changed.

Can you just write the mothers' details in a space somewhere? I can see myself doing that if it hasn't changed by the time I ever get around to marrying Or would that invalidate the whole procedure?

And if it's for tracing family trees that's actually an argument FOR including the mothers details!

Samandi - no you can't, it's the Registrar who fills in the certificate and legally can only fill in certain details. A copy of that certificate is given to you, and it always used to be that it was also copied into a separate register that is then sent quarterly to the GRO in London, from where it is then copied yet again onto a central register. When you apply for a historical certificate or copies of your own certificates, the central register team will then copy the entry from their sources. What you recieve back is therefore a copy of a copy of a copy. And as all family history researchers know, errors do happen at every stage of that process! Many of these stages are now digitised but the cope for errors on certificates prior to the 1940's is immense.

sparkle a change.org petition can be directed at anyone my main addressee so far is the Equalities office. If it is also addressed to the Church of England then if it gets a certain level of signatures they'll be asked to comment by the media.

I hadn't rally though about it before but it does all relate back to the "here, take my virgin daughter" crap that we put up with (or even encourage) in the name of tradition.

Oh yes to errors, I have a marriage certificate where the groom's surname, groom's father's surname and witness' surname were all spelt differently. They all had the same name but the registrar spelt it 3 different ways on the same piece of paper.

link to gro website

The details contained on a marriage certificate include:

Date and place of marriage.
Name, age and marital status/condition of man and woman.
Occupation and usual address.
Name and occupation of each party's father.
Names of the witnesses.
Name of the person who solemnised the marriage

sparkle - oh :-( that's a shame

BeansonToast, in answer to your question, your father will have his last known profession on the marriage certificate and the word Deceased in the signature part. Both my parents passed away by the time I got married so I never really thought about who and who wasn't on it.

We got married in Scotland, 1997, not church (its a civil certificate) and both parents (mothers and fathers of both parties) as well as their professions listed.

I got married in 2010 in a register office and only had space for fathers details. Mine was left blank as although I know who he is he wasn't worthy to be out on there. Sod the geneology. He's on my birth certificate if anyone wants to trace it. It likely stops there anyway as he was born in India and is probably impossible to trace from then on.

*put grr

Married in 2002 in Scotland, all 4 parents listed and occupations given. Also was married by a minister in a hotel - somewhere else that Scotland is more progressive than England! (CoS ministers can choose to marry you anywhere - the chap that married us had a chat to us, decided we were getting married for the 'right reasons' and were taking the sacrament seriously so happily married us in the hotel. He got changed after the meal and joined the ceilidh band as the fiddler too )

Signed. 61 more names needed to get it to the next level

Softkitty - see my post.

I didn't include my father on it for that reason.

My DH chose to have not his father who left his Mum, but his step father - even though his father is still alive, his step father is not.

Wtf? I'm getting married in October, I don't want my father on the certificate. Can you refuse to give details or request it is left off?

I requested it was left off... And it was left off.

And yes, I mean 'it', not 'he'.

Blissx, thank you for your answer. I see others managed not to have their dads on there so that might be an option. Chances are that (if DP finally gets around to it...) we would get married in Scotland anyway so at least my mum would be on there too. I would be kinda ok with him being on there if mum was as well, but I wouldn't just want him on there without a reference to my mother as she brought me up and he was quite horrible to her at times! So at least there are options.

Next question: Can I sign the petition? I am living in england but am from a different EU country.

Thanks winenot I will do the same.