To think that God wouldn't mind DB being gay

[Thepowerof3]

My DM has found religion in the last couple of years and has become quite vocal on certain issues including gay marriage. My DB is gay and whilst she accepts him she doesn't believe he should be able to marry, even lobbied her local mp to vote against it. I'm no theologist but surely if you believe God created man then he created homosexuals as well as heterosexuals and if not then DB is somehow choosing to be gay?

The reason I ask is... because if she is, and the bible is important to her faith and views, then she will have read that it says that homosexuality is not Gods plan. And this will be where she is getting this from.

Is it NOT that God doesn't love your bro - but perhaps she is finding it hard to let go of the fact he is not doing what she believes is right in the eyes of God. If that makes sense

I am on the vino so there is the risk I am non-comprend0-able

She found Christianity inner early twenties but turned away in her thirties after some terrible life experiences going back to it in her 50s

I do not believe people 'choose' their sexuality - its sooooooo complicated is sexuality! It cannot be a case of one decision either way.....

ah ok power

Is she in a good church? The reason I ask this is alot of churches can be a bit toxic. Is she generally doing ok now? Or is it hard to relate to her in general... tell me to shut up if want.

Or ask me more questions

But it's not a decision. It's a fact. Like having brown hair or blue eyes. Being Gay is not something you 'do' or even something you feel. It's what someone is.

It's hard to relate to her if it touches on religion but other than that its fine.

'The reason I ask is... because if she is, and the bible is important to her faith and views, then she will have read that it says that homosexuality is not Gods plan.'

This is true, but it's also an excellent way to argue against her. The Bible is self-contradicting, and it's extremely likely she's doing things the Bible says are wrong.

It certainly is not a 'decision' defo not!

YANBU. There are plenty of Christians who have no problem with homosexuality or gay marriage at all.

if she is, and the bible is important to her faith and views, then she will have read that it says that homosexuality is not Gods plan.'

Only if you take certain small parts of the Bible literally and don't allow for other possible interpretations in the historical and linguistic context. Biblical literalists (fundamentalists) love to tell us what they think "the Bible says" but they don't speak for all Christians by any means.

lady 'The reason I ask is... because if she is, and the bible is important to her faith and views, then she will have read that it says that homosexuality is not Gods plan.' (me surmising about powers mums possible thoughts here)

You said This is true, but it's also an excellent way to argue against her. The Bible is self-contradicting, and it's extremely likely she's doing things the Bible says are wrong.

The thing is, powers mum wont see the bible as self-contradicting if it is her chosen book of faith and she will simply think powers doesn't 'understand' (ime).

You're right powers momma will be doing things the bible says is wrong (heck who doesn't) the thing is she will (if I am on the right track) believe that her sins are atoned for by Christ now she is saved and hence she is in right-standing with God....whereas she will believe her son is not and she will be worried about his lifestyle.

Ps. please don't shoot the surmising messenger I am not intending to antagonise - merely using my experience in this are to try to shed some light on powerof3's problem.

and possibly making not much sense in the process ha ha!!!

She does believe that she can atone and be ok

I think I am reading your mum rather well - given I don't know her LOL.

Yanbu

I'm not religious but those I know who are (regardless of their faith) believe in a loving, forgiving god. Therefore I don't understand how this fits with a god who hates people for loving someone else just because those two people have the same genitals.

You must know a bit more about it iyswim, I struggle to relate

Thepowerof3 ...

Idid - but it's simple to prove that the Bible is contradictory. It is. If she is genuinely unable to love her son, she won't see this. But IMO it's the best chance of explaining to her.

IME some people will always cling to horrible, damaging ideas. You cannot stop them. But my sense of the best way out, is the one I suggested, but thinking through how the Bible came to be, and how much human imput there is into alienating her from her son.

The Bible is self-contradicting, and it's extremely likely she's doing things the Bible says are wrong.

Oh yes, the verses most frequently posted as condemning homosexuality are from Leviticus - and in the same section refer to homosexuality, various kinds of nudity, some especially related to menstruating women, (OMG Leviticus 13 is disgusting) harvesting or gleaning too thoroughly, planting mixed crops, wearing blended fibres, all abominations.
Wow, so many rules for things.

Naomi and Ruth. David and Jonathon!! WERE NOT GAY!!!

It's entirely possible, and one interpretation, that David and Jonathon were.

Difficult to know, really earthmother.

Personally I think 'gay' as a term is quite modern, so I'm not sure I'd even label Oscar Wilde as 'gay', though it's quite clear he was attracted to men. How people understand the boundaries between sexual and social relationships varies hugely over time.

It is really impossible to say whether or not David and Jonathan, or Ruth and Naomi, had the sort of sexual relationship we now take to define homosexuality.

Personally, I think it does not matter: they certainly show how valuable love between two people of the same gender is.

Jonathan and David had a love like brothers. They certainly were not homosexual!!

You don't know that, earthmother. It's simply what you've been told and chosen to believe.