to want to ask those who intend to vote UKIP a few questions about their policies?

[PdHeatonsingingfafafa]

Let me ask you this. Has anybody here actually looked at UKIP policies? If so, perhaps you can answer some questions for me.
1: UKIP say they want an amicable divorce from the EU. How smoothly do they believe that can happen?

1. UKIP want a 5 year hold on immigration. To do so, they think that it is essential to leave the EU as the EU allows citizens of member states to move freely. Ok, what happens to the 2.2 million Brits living in other EU nations? Do we force them to return? It has to work both ways. 3: A flat tax rate can never work. I imagine this is why the party cannot decide whether or not they should have 1 rate or 2. Their 2010 proposal was a rate of 31% for everybody. That is evidently a major tax break for the rich whilst the poor pay more. Is this something you support?
   

4: A return to the grammar school education model would see communities being ripped in half and children unfairly separated. Who here thinks that is a good idea?
5: UKIP want to increase defence spending to facilitate the building of extra warships and nuclear weapons. When a member or supporter asks why soldiers aren't paid more, be sure to also ask why they'd squander money on these projects?
6: UKIP oppose the HS2 because of the damage it would do to the countryside. However, they also support fracking which would cause even greater damage. How can there be such contradiction? They also oppose manmade climate change. On what evidence do they take this stance?
7: UKIP plan to double prison spaces. How do they propose to fund the building of new prisons and of keeping twice as many inmates? Who will take up these extra spaces? What crimes will become punishable by incarceration? Who will suffer from cuts made elsewhere to fund this?
8: UKIP is proposing "tens of billions" of tax cuts and had set out £77bn of cuts to public expenditure to deal with the deficit. Where will these cuts be made? After increased military and prison spending, the cuts in public spending will have to be a lot higher to compensate.
9: They wish to repeal the hunting ban. This appeals to a minority of people whereas the majority of the country supports the hunting ban. Can you guess which section of society would benefit from the repeal?

It seems to me that most of these policies were plucked from thin air to try and hide the fact that they are a one policy party. Perhaps, by answering these questions, you can change my mind?

[claig]

BridgetBidet, I understand that entirely and UKIP will have to change and throw any nutters out of the party if they want to expand even further in the revolution.

I'm not sure, but it seems that up to now they may have had trouble finding enough candidates at local levels. But that will all change. Some Tory councillors have left the tory party and joined UKIP, big money donors are apparently ready to support the party, so as the Labour anthem went "things can only get better", but this is for real unlike in New Labour's case.

UKIP will change, but they will never be progressive, they will always be based on sound common sense and that is why the people will eventually back them. Common sense policies appeal to both right and left and ordinary people, but not to progressives.

Don't vote for them if nutters are candidates, but I think nutters will be weeded out as the revolution progresses.

[claig]

'As for your light bulb obsession, you sound a bit like a complete crank.'

Hold on, are you saying that Paul Nuttall MEP, who I think is UKIP's Deputy leader is a crank?

Bring it on! The more insults, the more the revolution will rock!

[ComposHat]

Yes of course, I am. Deputy crank in chief.

[beatback]

BridgetBidet. This is the perception, unfourtunatly there a few people within UKIP that are a bit Racist and Crackers, but what about the hard left that still exists in the labour party including the views of the labour candidate for the Eastleigh by Election John o farrell. With views that he wished that the Elected Prime minister of the Uk had been assasinated in the Grand Hotel Bombing in Brighton. Labour supporters dont say i like Labours policies but i cant vote for them because 1 left wing nut case believe"s that Terrorism is justified against your own country infact that is Treason, so if you do believe in a lot of what UKIP thinks you need to show it. Let the leaders of UKIP know that they need to be aware that if they can weed out a few stupid and dangerous members they would go along way to getting rid of the tag as RACISTS AND CRACKPOTS.

[beatback]

Then if UKIP could get rid of the Racist and Crackpot perception. A tidal wave in the politcal culture within England/Wales would happen, many of these people are in favor of UKIP"s ideas but have been brainwashed by the traditional party"s and the media to believe that UKIPs policies are totally crackpot when in reality they only need to be rewritten recosted and need to be debated about. UKIP could become a Major Politcal force in England/Wales and be a force for changes that are needed now.

[SilverOldie]

ComposHat

"I thought of another few questions to ask UKIP voters

10) Do you have two brain cells to rub together?

11) Do your knuckles graze as they drag along the floor? How do you get the hair off the palms of your hands? Wax or shave?

12) Why doesn't Farage wear a uniform, all other woild be tinpot dictators do."

Your post is insulting and not worthy of a sensible reply so why don't you stick it where the sun don't shine.

[WetAugust]

The 'racist' accusation is the standard political ploy for closing down all debate on immigration - as they have for the past few decades.

I'd never heard of UKIP being associated with racism until relatively recently. In the past it's been accused of harbouring 'Little Englanders' or 'fruit cakes' and all sorts of harmless but deluded idiots, but never racists.

I think what has happened is that the influx of immigrants from the EU's former communist country members has been so overwhelming and pervasive that it's now impossible to ignore and therefore acceptable to discuss.

Because we are now discussing it UKIP is making the very valid point that we no longer have the power to stop immigration to the UK by anyone who is an EU citizen. Pointing that simple fact out is not helpful to Cameron & co who would prefer the electorate to believe that immigration from within the EU can actually be controlled .

So to make UKIP less electable they have set out to label it as racist. So dissent has been shut down again - you want to vote for UKIP - you must be racist. Eventually Cameron (or his successor) will have to have a dialogue with UKIP. At that point the PR machine will go into overdrive to persuade us all that UKIP are not racist and what on earth made us think that? It's essential at that point to remove any racist allusions so the Tories can talk to them. It's so predictable it's pathetic.

Every party has its quota of nutters. Long-standing parties usually have the organisation and vetting systems in place to weed them out. As UKIP has grown so fast in such a short timescale their candidates seem to be virtually self-selecting with none of the vetting that should be taking place. But the electorate has a responsibility to check out the candidate it considers voting for - unlike in some constituencies where you could pin the appropriately coloured rosette on a donkey and the electorate would elect it.

[claig]

"So to make UKIP less electable they have set out to label it as racist. So dissent has been shut down again - you want to vote for UKIP - you must be racist."

Exactly, but it failed. It was the old "boy who cried wolf" game - "the party who cried racist". But the public saw through it and 25% of them in most areas turned out and voted UKIP, so now all the old boys' parties have been told by their masters not to call UKIP racist anymore in case they piss off the 25% of the voting electorate who voted for them. So now all of a sudden, they are all understanding and they realise their mistake and they apologise for having ignored the 25% and they say they have learnt from listening to the 25%. They hope that that will fool the 25%, but will it? Only time will tell.

[WetAugust]

Yes, you're right in your analysis Claig. But being nice to UKIP is not going to silence the growing call to leave the EU.

It's going to take quite a while before UKIP loses its racist tag. Even on here it's being quoted. And that makes UKIP supporters very angry and they remember who gave them that racist tag and it makes them even less likely to return to the fold.

Personally I liked being called a fruitcake

[claig]

WetAugust, the racist tags for UKIP have failed, they are the final death throes of the progressives who are clutching at straws to save themselves from the catastrophic climate change that UKIP represents, which will sweep the liars and frauds and spinners out of power for years to come.

The progressives looked down on the people, they even insulted some of their own lifelong supporters and called them bigots, and now for them there will be hell to pay, the people are heading for a brighter day.

They called UKIP fruitcakes and clowns and what did Farage - man of the people - say? He said "send in the clowns". Bring it on, and bring the phoneys, frauds and spinners down.

Now UKIP has grown so big that their spin doctors tell them it is no longer wise to insult the 25%. But insults are all they know and all they have ever known. They have no arguments, they have no case, which is why UKIP will wipe the smile from their face.

Now UKIP are 25%, what will they do when UKIP is 50%, they will all start apologising for climate change and admitting that it was all a sham, as UKIP expose their shameless scam.

We have had rainy days but now we will see the sun, the revolution has just begun.

[claig]

UKIP will win the European elections hands down. It will be a tidal wave of such proportions that the liars, cheats and frauds won't know what to do.

Will they call the British public fruitcakes and clowns? I wouldn't put it past them for some of them are so low down. But wiser heads are likely to prevail, they will all start reading the Daily Mail. Will they apologise and say they were wrong or will they sing the same old song?

[blackcats73]

I'm watching this thread with amusement. It's refreshing to read non standard mumsnet views.

However I agree with compos. Craig, you seriously sound unhinged. If you lot ever had any power I'm emigrating to a nice civilised European country, Holland poor Germany I think!!

[WetAugust]

Very true Babybarrister. UKIP always do well in the European elections but so far have failed to translate that to success in the domestic Parliament. This time I predict they will probably do even better in the MEP elections and by 2015 it will all have been forgotten by the time we vote in that General Election.

What would, I think, sway it for UKIP would be for Nigel to be included in a TV debate with the big 3. He is an outstanding orator (when he's not insulting people). Some of his European Parliament speeches predicting the Euro crisis and Greek problems are very persuading. It could produce another 'Cleg effect'.

However I very much think that none of the 'big 3' would debate on TV with him.

[claig]

"Craig, you seriously sound unhinged."

They called Farage a fruitcake and implied he was unhinged. To be compared with such a great figure as Farage is an honour that money cannot buy!

[Caster8]

When Cameron had to stop insulting the UKIP voters because there were too many of them, and too many potential voters, I did wonder when is a loon not a loon? When there are too many of them?! So were the original ones not loons to start with, or are there just more of them now, so they cant have been loons to start with?!

[WetAugust]

Lol Caster

Un-looned by association?

[ComposHat]

blackcats thanka for joining, It was like being caught in the middle of UKIP circle jerk.

[Caoilainn]

I live in Kent, number 4 of your list already happens. Why not grammar all over?

[usualsuspect]

I think most of MN are too busy laughing at this thread to join in.

[claig]

'I think most of MN are too busy laughing at this thread to join in.'

Well then they need to stop laughing at the OP and tell the OP why they support UKIP!

[Tweasels]

I joined in earlier, and backed out laughing.

Nothing in life will ever, ever be as funny as this comment:


"They called Farage a fruitcake and implied he was unhinged. To be compared with such a great figure as Farage is an honour that money can buy"

[ComposHat]

They called Farage a fruitcake and implied he was unhinged. To be compared with such a great figure as Farage is an honour that money can buy

Tweasels thanks for pointing that out, how the fuck did I miss it? Laughed so hard I had a coughing fit.

I think it was Claig's stupidest post on this thread, although there are some crackers take this one:

Now UKIP are 25%

-Most opinion polls put them on about 11%.

what will they do when UKIP is 50%

It won't happen, not least because they are a single issue protest party, campaigning on an issue that comparatively few people get very vocal about. But mainly because no political party has managed to win 50% of the popular vote in a general election since 1931. Claig do you really think UKIP will win an unprecedented landslide in the next general election?


they will all start apologising for climate change and admitting that it was all a sham, as UKIP expose their shameless scam

I hate to point out that a minor flaw in this brilliant piece of rhetoric, but there is no giant global conspiracy to explode. But don't let that get in your way.

We have had rainy days but now we will see the sun, the revolution has just begun

Y'know how you got really cross when people called your beloved leader and his party a bunch of fruitloops and closet fascists. It doesn't really help when you write things like the above, which sound like they came from an early and even more batshit crazy draft of Mein Kampf

[claig]

UKIP won't get 50% overnight. It won't happen by the next election, but rest assured that the progressives know it is coming and are conniving, ducking and diving and every one of their age old lies reviving, in an attempt to forestall the inevitable.

'but there is no giant global conspiracy to explode'
They apologised about their 'light touch regulation'. They will apologise about this when it is finally exposed.


"We have had rainy days but now we will see the sun, the revolution has just begun"

I am using the word 'revolution' as a joke since revolutions are usually socialist uprisings of the people, but this is an uprising of the people which is not socialist. And I am also using the word revolution to highlight the tidal wave of UKIP support and the real as opposed to the phoney catastrophic climate change that it will bring to the opposition parties.