to want to ask those who intend to vote UKIP a few questions about their policies?

[PdHeatonsingingfafafa]

Let me ask you this. Has anybody here actually looked at UKIP policies? If so, perhaps you can answer some questions for me.
1: UKIP say they want an amicable divorce from the EU. How smoothly do they believe that can happen?

1. UKIP want a 5 year hold on immigration. To do so, they think that it is essential to leave the EU as the EU allows citizens of member states to move freely. Ok, what happens to the 2.2 million Brits living in other EU nations? Do we force them to return? It has to work both ways. 3: A flat tax rate can never work. I imagine this is why the party cannot decide whether or not they should have 1 rate or 2. Their 2010 proposal was a rate of 31% for everybody. That is evidently a major tax break for the rich whilst the poor pay more. Is this something you support?
   

4: A return to the grammar school education model would see communities being ripped in half and children unfairly separated. Who here thinks that is a good idea?
5: UKIP want to increase defence spending to facilitate the building of extra warships and nuclear weapons. When a member or supporter asks why soldiers aren't paid more, be sure to also ask why they'd squander money on these projects?
6: UKIP oppose the HS2 because of the damage it would do to the countryside. However, they also support fracking which would cause even greater damage. How can there be such contradiction? They also oppose manmade climate change. On what evidence do they take this stance?
7: UKIP plan to double prison spaces. How do they propose to fund the building of new prisons and of keeping twice as many inmates? Who will take up these extra spaces? What crimes will become punishable by incarceration? Who will suffer from cuts made elsewhere to fund this?
8: UKIP is proposing "tens of billions" of tax cuts and had set out £77bn of cuts to public expenditure to deal with the deficit. Where will these cuts be made? After increased military and prison spending, the cuts in public spending will have to be a lot higher to compensate.
9: They wish to repeal the hunting ban. This appeals to a minority of people whereas the majority of the country supports the hunting ban. Can you guess which section of society would benefit from the repeal?

It seems to me that most of these policies were plucked from thin air to try and hide the fact that they are a one policy party. Perhaps, by answering these questions, you can change my mind?

[BridgetBidet]

WetAugust, if that is the case why do the Tories ratings go up an UKIPs go down every time the Tories do something tough on immigration?

[WetAugust]

It's the same when Ed apologised about Labour's immigration mistakes and his currency increased to the detriment of UKIP.

I can only assume there must be some misguided folk in UKIP whose primary policy issue is immigration. For the true UKIP immigration is a side show - it's about being permitted to meet the tests that make a country a country.

[xylem8]

I had never considered UKIP before, but after reading OPs post I might.Ticks a lot of boxes for me.

[claig]

xylem8, join the revolution

It's a tidal wave of catastrophic climate change and will blow all the spinners, frauds and liars out of the water, and that's why they don't like UKIP.

[claig]

Hey, if UKIP ever win and manage to leave the EU, then maybe we will be allowed to get our old lightbulbs back, the ones that don't contain mercury.

Telling the truth about the manmade climate change fraud, banning GM crops in this country and a return of our lovely safe lightbulbs are all positives for me.

www.ukipmeps.org/news_334_New-EU-ban-could-be-a-%60lightbulb-moment%60.html

[claig]

'?We are being bullied into this in the name of climate change but what about the mercury contained in the new energy saving bulbs. I have no doubt that the issue of their disposal has not been given proper consideration." - Paul Nuttall MEP

?I hope that this will be a real ?lightbulb moment? for people in this country, a realisation for those who have not already realised just how much the EU increasingly dominates and controls our lives,? said Mr Nuttall, UKIP Euro-MP for the North West.

?They have no regard for people?s right to choose and absolutely no concern for the terrible impact this will have on those with light-sensitive health conditions.

?If the bulbs break in the house various important precautions must be taken and even after this there will be a high level of mercury in the air, which is particularly dangerous for children.

?Once they end up in landfill the mercury can evaporate further, seep into the ground and contaminating water. The amount of mercury in one lamp is enough to contaminate 6,000 gallons of water. But even if they don?t break, they constitute a time bomb for future generations.

?People who are light sensitive suffer by from the effects of the new compact fluoresent bulbs (CFLs) and a whole range of illnesses are involved including lupus, psoriasis, eczema, porphyria, migraines, ME, epilepsy and autism.

?Meanwhile the cost of the low energy bulbs has soared and is expected to rise even further,? he added.

www.ukipmeps.org/news_334_New-EU-ban-could-be-a-%60lightbulb-moment%60.html


This is a revolution. The first party of the people, for the people by the people. No wonder the progressives and their masters are up in arms about the rise of UKIP, and will do everything they can to reduce its influence.

[WetAugust]

My understairs cupboard is full of old style bulbs in various wattages and shapes to fit all my light fittings as I stockpiled them before the EU banned them. I have sufficient for decades to come!

I also had a non-condensing boiler installed to power the central heating, a week before the EU banned those too.

People just don't understand the reach and impact that all these EU directives actually have on their lives.

[claig]

Any greens out there?

Is the green party against these green lightbulbs or do they never mention the potential mercury hazards to people's health and the environment?

[claig]

WetAugust, it sounds like you are on the ball, and for that reason I can see that it makes sense that you support the party of the people, for the people, by the people - UKIP!

[usualsuspect]

If all schools were grammar schools wouldn't that make them comprehensive?

[claig]

If choice ever returns to our free nation, if people can decide which lightbulbs to buy based on health concerns and if they can choose to avoid any GM food based on health concerns, then there will be celebrations across the land, and if UKIP can deliver those things to the long-suffering, much lied-to people, then the people will thank them in return and proportional representation will come and freedom will reign in our land.

We've got a long way to go, the revolution has just begun, ordinary people are awake and the false prophets and progressive profits are being exposed, the lies are as plain on their face as Pinocchio's nose!

[Spiritedwolf]

The posts on this thread by UKIP supporters aren't really helping them seem more credible. Nigel Farrage, a man of the people? Really, not credible at all.

Apart from anything else, you are labelling people who agree with you/Farage/UKIP "the people" and redefining everyone else as "the progressives" or "the progressive elite" or whatever? You seem to be mixing up a load of anti-left wing stuff, with your anti-rightwing/mp/banker stuff. It's really difficult to make sense out of it at all.

I get the feeling that you are disgruntled with the political situation, and somehow have latched onto Farage as the solution... but he's just the same as the current lot and rather worse than the previous lot.

The logical conclusion of the policies of UKIP and the Right of the Tory party is that they (the rich, the business owners, the 1%) should pay less tax and everyone else should just fend for themselves (fending for yourself looks a much rosier situation when you have the means to pay for private health, education, etc.).

I personally believe our country is a much nicer place to live in when we look after each other. If that makes me a progressive leftie, well I'll accept that but don't dismiss my opinion as not one of "the people".


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Even if you don't believe in man-made climate change, it should be pretty obvious that the planet we live on has finite resources. If infinite growth is possible, it is not with our current model of consuption, destruction and waste. We are destroying and polluting the world around us, using up finite resources that might be needed by our grandchildren. That doesn't mean that I believe that everyone should live like cavemen, but it does mean that we should try and be efficient - designing our 'stuff' to be upgraded, durable, or at least recycleable rather than dumpable. Why on earth burn a lump of coal for energy on a sunny day when you could have solar energy which is free, less polluting, and available anyway. Likewise with wind. Whether you believe in climate change or not, wouldn't it be nicer to live in a country with less air pollution because there were fewer fossil fuelled cars - more people are estimated to die each year in britain because of air pollution than of obesity. Where are the Daily Mail headlines about a Exhaust Fume epidemic?

Those who oppose wind turbines because they believe man made climate change is a conspiracy - fail to see that even if 99% of scientists are wrong - it would be more pleasant to live in a world where we conserved our resources, used free energy, and breathe cleaner air.

[Twirlyhot]

Looks like there's a growing market for tin foil hats.

[claig]

"Where are the Daily Mail headlines about a Exhaust Fume epidemic?"

You asked for it!

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2158574/Diesel-engine-exhaust-fumes-major-cancer-risk.html

[ComposHat]

I thought of another few questions to ask UKIP voters

10) Do you have two brain cells to rub together?

11) Do your knuckles graze as they drag along the floor? How do you get the hair off the palms of your hands? Wax or shave?

12) Why doesn't Farage wear a uniform, all other woild be tinpot dictators do.

[claig]

"Apart from anything else, you are labelling people who agree with you/Farage/UKIP "the people" and redefining everyone else as "the progressives" or "the progressive elite" or whatever?"

that's only me, I am not representative of all UKIP voters, just some. I like to mock the progressives because they look down their noses at UKIP, the Daily Mail and many ordinary people.

[claig]

'The logical conclusion of the policies of UKIP and the Right of the Tory party is that they (the rich, the business owners, the 1%) should pay less tax and everyone else should just fend for themselves (fending for yourself looks a much rosier situation when you have the means to pay for private health, education, etc.).'


No, UKIP is about reducing taxation for all people, rich and poor alike so that they can make teh choice of spending as they please - be that on the old tyle lightbulbs if they ever return or on the ones which mercury. they will still provide welfare for people out of the savings made when they bring in real regulators who monitor the waste of public money such as on Sky TV for criminals etc.


'We are destroying and polluting the world around us, using up finite resources that might be needed by our grandchildren.'

Then why don't you join the revolution and campaign about the lightbulbs that contain mercury?


"Why on earth burn a lump of coal for energy on a sunny day when you could have solar energy which is free, less polluting, and available anyway. Likewise with wind."

Because they can't generate the amount of energy we need cheaply enough. The progressives and their EU masters are increasing the fuel bills of everyone in teh nation based on their phony climate change scam.
the greens and their masters want ero growth and even negative growth. No person will thrive under negative growth, but that's what their masters want. A plant would not flourish under negative growth.

[WetAugust]

I think that's a bit uncalled for ComposHat.

I was a UKIP voter long before Nigel Farage became its leader.

Compos's offensive questions are just a continuation of the fruitcake branding, which is quite reassuring as it means UKIP is rocking the boat.

[claig]

'Compos's offensive questions are just a continuation of the fruitcake branding, which is quite reassuring as it means UKIP is rocking the boat.'

Exactly WetAugust. Bring it on. Let them insult ordinary people just as some Tories appear to have insulted their own constituency members by calling them 'swivel-eyed loons'. It will only wake the people up even more and the revolution will rock!

[beatback]

Very worrying to hear about the potential life threatning problems from the Mercury within E.U specifaction lightbulbs and another example of the E.U making rules which suit them and not the common good along with the nonsense tax raising "Global warming" or Climate Change. The reason its been changed to Climate Change is because Global warming has been proved to be fake and the powers that be including the E.U are fighting any way they can to keep excuses to keep new and higher taxiation that is needed to keep their own gravy train going. UKIP are very unlikely to win any seats in the next General Election, never mind a postion of any kind of influence within the politics of the UK but the fact that UKIP do so well within the European Elections means that many normal "English" people believe in many of the ideas of UKIP. Of course most of the policies would need to be rewritten and recosted. The point being is that now people want new "Party"s and new politicians who can think out of the box. I am sure that many mainstream people would like to vote for UkIP but have been put off by the left unfounded and mostly untrue statements that UKIP is racist and all kind of other things.

[WetAugust]

We would make a considerable saving if we didn't have to pay the £million a day that we currently pay into the EU.

Add in the amount of money it costs the country to implement all these EU directives and the hidden costs when things go wrong - such as people being given morphine overdoses by German doctors whose English language skills are inadequate but who the EU tell us we must employ and you can see that the collective savings in leaving the EU would probably allow a few p to be shaved off taxes or - better still - spent on useful projects in the UK.

[claig]

'The reason its been changed to Climate Change is because Global warming has been proved to be fake'

Spot on beatback, and they hoped we wouldn't notice. They hoped we would be teary-eyed over the pictures of the polar bear that the BBC broadcasts for our benefit.

[BridgetBidet]

Claig, I am not a lefty, I want a lot less immigration and I want out of the EU. It has huge administrative problems, is expensive, inefficient, undemocratic and is all going to end in tears.

But I cannot vote for a party that has candidates that this party has.

Specifically Steve Moxon who wrote a book 'The Woman Racket' which basically said women should be thrown back in the kitchen, refused maternity leave and denied anything apart from the most basic jobs. Former BNP members and people who want all disabled babies to be aborted.

I want the mainstream parties to take on the issues of immigration and the EU but I do not want to vote UKIP.

[ComposHat]

They aren't offensive they are genuine questions, why so shy claig? wax or shave the palms? Don't use Veet because it sounds a bit foreign?

Bet you nutty Nige is getting measured up for his jack boots and riding breaches as I type this.

As for your light bulb obsession, you sound a bit like a complete crank. A bit like General Ripper in Dr Strangelove, who thought the fluoride on water was a Communist plot to pollute his' precious bodily fluids'

[WetAugust]

Totally agree with you beatback. UKIP are highly unlikely to win any seats at the next election as voters in this country tend to be very traditional.

The widow of David Penhaligon, the Liberal MP who was killed in a car crash back in the 1980s, wrote a master class on how to establish a new political party in her book about her husband. It's all about grass roots. Start at a very local level, gain trust, increase membership, influence ever more powerful committees and retain trust by keeping promises. So start in parish / local council elections and grow from there. Or in UKIPs case start with the MEPs - which it has already achieved.

UKIP is only now starting to get serious numbers of councillors. It needs to focus on areas where there is discontent with EU policies, such as in the former fishing areas in the SW. That's how the Greens got their first MP, by concentrating effort in Brighton where 'green' issues were readily accepted.