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To be sick of the current public slating off teachers!

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Belle15 · 25/07/2013 20:58

Just feel teachers are criticised from all angles at the moment and we work damn hard for very little financial gain or thanks!! Would like to see any of the people moaning about us actuallu spend a day in our shoes.Needed a rant! Confused

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Feenie · 25/07/2013 23:54

Touche, scottishmummy.

cornyblend37 · 25/07/2013 23:54

how would performance related pay take into account the cohort?

Would teachers in 11 plus areas teaching classes which include a significant amount of heavily tutored children be judged by the same standards as teachers in deprived areas?

MrButtercat · 25/07/2013 23:55

Ha ha Mrs Hercule but that is the lot of most sectors.Dp works in IT,performance related,goal posts and deadlines continuously changed(not easy when managers who can't even code set unrealistic deadlines in the first place), office full of mediocre contractors paid £££££££ that make doing the job 10x harder.....

sonlypuppyfat · 25/07/2013 23:55

The coffee drinking tosspot didn't even thank the pupil who gave it too him so I shall add that to his crimes. And I shall leave you to your whine sorry wine.

wherearemysocka · 25/07/2013 23:55

I can imagine, eviltwins . That sounds crap, the impact on you and the students must have been horrendous. As I said, my point was only in my own experience. Guess we have been lucky.

MrButtercat · 25/07/2013 23:57

Corny other sectors can't pick and choose the raw material they're given when performance related pay is involved.You get what you get or leave.

Amaxapax · 25/07/2013 23:58

But MrButtercat, why does what happens in your DP's office justify the same thing happening in schools, or in any other office for that matter?

MrsHerculePoirot · 25/07/2013 23:59

mrbuttercat so therefore if he was in a position to fight against that shit way and unfair way of doing things he would too. The fact it is unfair for everyone else doesn't make it right it should be shit for us teachers. I would support other professions making a stand in the same circumstances - for us we have a no chance of changing it at the moment, or at least having a say in how it might work. It sounds rubbish for your DP btw, it probably needs I be better thought out in many places.

MrButtercat · 26/07/2013 00:00

Because it is life in every single office/ sector everywhere,my sister works for a major charity(very similar issues). It's called real life.

cornyblend37 · 26/07/2013 00:01

But Mrbuttercat the 'rawmaterial' here are children.
The result could be that teachers will be less likely to want to work in difficult areas.

MrsHerculePoirot · 26/07/2013 00:01

corny each school as I understand it gets to set their own pay progression policy. The unions have drafted a suggested version and some schools have written one and consulted on it, others just ate implementing them with no consultation. So not even going to be fair across the sector I should think.

wherearemysocka · 26/07/2013 00:02

Didn't you say that the private sector would kick out anyone who was not up to the job, mrbuttercat ? Sounds like half your dp's office should be out on their ear...

MrsHerculePoirot · 26/07/2013 00:03

mrbuttercat really? My DH place of work does it really well, but they invest a lot if time and money into it (he is not a teacher). Just because it is shit for your DP doesn't mean it should be shit for everyone.

MrButtercat · 26/07/2013 00:04

No they wouldn't fight as they'd be out of a job and he just gets on with it.Companies need to make a profit.No profit,no job- for anybody.Difference is with public sector jobs they're used to the tax payer just bank rolling whatever.

ArtemisatBrauron · 26/07/2013 00:04

I am a teacher at a senior school (13-18) and I think I have a really great job. It can be full on in term time but the holidays are great and the pay is fine.
I care a lot about my pupils and I am shocked to see the negativity of people like sonly who seem to be determined to see the worst in everyone.
I'd like to stealth boast about all my lovely thank you cards from pupils which show that at least the kids don't hate me! Grin

wherearemysocka · 26/07/2013 00:06

'It's what it's like in the real world', ' Taxpayers pay your salary'

Come on mrbuttercat, just accuse me of leaving at 3.15pm everyday and I can call bingo and go to bed.

VikingVagine · 26/07/2013 00:07

Couldn't give a fuck scottishmummy, I've been relaxing by the pool since the fifth of July.

I wouldn't be a teacher in the UK if you doubled my salary, takes the piss some of things they're expected to do.

ravenAK · 26/07/2013 00:07

It's based on predicted grades corny. Eg. I have lower/middle ability group of 23 in a good/outstanding school - target (based on KS2 levels, similar kids right across the country & our previous performance as a school) is mostly Cs with the odd D.

Hopefully, I will get a few Bs to make up for the two C-targets who really can't be arsed doing any work, & the one who gets pregnant, & the one whose drug-dealing empire keeps him too busy.

Everyone's grades get fed into the computer, converted into a numerical score & compared against the target.

This gives a figure called a residual for each teaching group. If it's >0 all is well - if it isn't I have some explaining to do.

In the real world, top sets generally have positive residuals (nice hardworking kids with previous good performance) as do bottom sets (small group, lots of support) whereas middle sets are bloody hard work.

I will be extremely lucky to get a positive residual next month. I'm already on UPS3, based on years of good results, so no big deal. If I were eligible for progression I probably wouldn't get it.

& if I had a similar group next year - I could find myself on capability.

MrButtercat · 26/07/2013 00:07

Wheres they're contractors so sought after and they do get rid( dp did with one last week) but they get replaced with similar.Companies prefer them as cheaper for them in the short term(although short sighted long term)

cornyblend37 · 26/07/2013 00:07

'Difference is with public sector jobs they're used to the tax payer just bank rolling whatever'

public sector workers also pay tax...Hmm

Whitenosugarplease · 26/07/2013 00:09

Longgone- I was at a funding seminar before half term where the deputy head of a good state school said her school this year only took 2.1s or 1st from Russell Group universities. Schools can be picky and there are plenty of unemployed teachers

cornyblend37 · 26/07/2013 00:10

that's really worrying raven

MrsHerculePoirot · 26/07/2013 00:11

'Bank rolling whatever' that'll be paying all public sector workers salaries then so that your children get a free education and free healthcare then for example..You do realise we all pay taxes too?!?

Ilovegeorgeclooney · 26/07/2013 00:21

Thank you all for an entertaining session! Just off to bed. Must remember to turn off my phone so all the Civil Servants/Lawyers/IT bods/doctors/nurses I normally commute with cannot continue with their bastard rota of ringing me during their journey to work from 6.30 am onwards!

Never complain about being a teacher in July/August!

Caff2 · 26/07/2013 00:30

So, I had to go to hospital recently. I was suffering from terrible and unexplained sickness and abdominal pain that had me doubled up crying. Vomiting over and over . I had to have sone ultrasound scans as they were worried it was acute appendicitis. One nurse told me to "grow up" and "I haven't got time for this". All other medical staff were fabulous. I do not hate the nursing profession for one woman that was hateful. But one teacher hateful seems to have coloured the whole profession for some posters. Go figure.