To think parents should teach their children how to behave round dogs

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There have been a few posts lately about people needing to control their dogs more (and I agree, if you cant control our dog and clean up after it then you shouldn't have a dog imo), but is it unreasonable to expect parents to teach children to be a bit more careful round dogs?

Whilst walking my dog (on his lead) a child who looked about 10 ran up and stuck his head in my dogs face to make a fuss of him whilst i was picking up doggys poo, without checking if it was ok, there have been other times kids have just walked up and started pulling doggy around, this sort of thing happens a lot, especially in the summer when there are more kids out playing and the parents rarely say anything about it.

It's not really an issue with my great soppy lump of a dog because he loves kids and will put up with anything for a bit of fuss but shouldn't these kids know that you should check with the owners before approaching strange dogs and that even a nice dog can get pissed of if you start pulling it around?

You are still fixated on unprovoked attacks. The thread is asking about a dog under control and a child who isn't. I stand by my several statements of your child is your responsibility to control not mine

You are still fixated on unprovoked attacks. The thread is asking about a dog under control and a child who isn't. I stand by my several statements of your child is your responsibility to control not mine

You are still fixated on some imaginary rights of dogs, I suggest you check the actual law. if your dog bites a child in a public place the very least you are looking at is a fine if there is injury.

Oh, and your attitude before and after an attack will be considered in the punishment,, so better start learning to be very nice to bitten kids and their angry mothers.

Your child is your responsibility to control. If my dog is on a lead and under control & your child interferes with it that is your problem not mine. Control your child in a public place. My dog and I have have the same right to be there as you.

I don't like uncontrolled dogs anymore than I like uncontrolled children and irresponsible parents who blame other people for their failings

You are wrong, I suggest (again) you check the actual law. The huge rise in dog bites on children over the last c 10 years has driven some major changes in law, especially case rulings. A dog that bites a child and causes injury in a public place, even on a lead, is considered out of control and possibly dangerous. All species of dog are considered potentially dangerous. There is increasing pressure to make owners liable for their dogs on private property too. Things are only going to get better (for bitten people)

I see it as my responsibility to protect my dog from people who think it's ok to let their child run up to my dog, usually by putting myself between dog and child and telling them very firmly not to touch my dog without asking. Shame parents can't teach their own children.

I was at a dog show a number of years ago with my old girl, and a toddler ran up to her, grabbed her around the jowls, got about an inch from her face, looked her in the eyes and let out one of those ear piercing toddler schreeches. Poor dog freaked, and went backwards, stuck her nose between my legs. It was such a threatening gesture, and so lucky that it was my dog who is certified to go in to schools and not some other dog. Parent copped quite a serve. Absolute idiots. Letting your toddler free range at a dog show is just sheer madness.

I have checked the law but my point remains it is your responsibility to control your child not mine. And believe me that the actions of the parent and child are also taken into account.

yes kids should be taught how to behave around dogs. i wonder how often a kid goes up to a dog it doesn't know and pokes it or whatever compared to the number of dogs that go running up to people who are minding their own business? the main difference being one has the potential to rip someone's face off.
i don't care how 'harmless' your dog is or that 'he doesn't bite' i don't want your stinking mutt near me or my child.
leads should be compulsory

It goes both ways but I always tell dd not to touch a dog she dosn't know.

LazyJaney, on this thread you have referred to dogs as 'things.' Do you think you have difficulties empathising with animals?

What really anoys me are those dog owners who allow their dogs to run around in parks unchecked. I got bitten on the arse as a child by a pit bull as his elderly owner couldn't control him.
You could blame it on my 'terrified'' vibes but what child isn't terrified of an out of control dog?

My son always asks the owner first if he can smooth a dog, every time. If he ever touched a dog without consent he would be told off.

In this hot weather I have told him to leave all dogs alone. I don't want them being bothered by him.

I did have one incident where a man took offence when I told B to ask, he thought I was saying his dog was dangerous. Not at all. Same as I wouldn't want some stranger just coming up and cuddling my child lol!

If your perfectly well behaved dog bit my child I would have your guts for garters. My child is afraid of dogs so he wouldn't actually be goading it, however I have also read threads where I should be encouraging my child not to be afraid of this fucking huge to him possibly bitey animal because...actually I am not really sure why. Because some people choose to have dogs so we should all train our kids not to be scared of them but also to be wary as they could attack? I am going to bed now so no point flaming me.

Lazeyjaney, that would depend upon what the dog was doing at the time and whether you could prove it was "dangerously out of control" if your child walked over to my dog and deliberately hurt or intimidated him and was injured as a result of my dog defending himself, I could probably afford a decent enough solicitor to prove it was the child who was dangerously out of control and not the dog.

Whilst the DDA laws are utterly ridonculous, they are not that bad that they immediately and without consideration of the facts punish a dog and it's owner for the dog reacting to abuse unless it's a bull breed

And even if they were that ridiculous why would you want to endanger your child simply to prove a point? Teach your child to not approach my dogs without asking and I will teach my dogs not approach your children and everyone will be happy.

I didn't encourage the bite btw..he came up to me!

Leads should be compulsory Arf
Reign s on out of control toddlers should be compulsory too
midnite that's disgusting, some parents are thick as shit!

2 of my dds class mates have been bitten since the heatwave.

hamster all of us have condemned the out of control dogs, but the post is specifically about the under control ones who are subjected to unwanted fuss by kids (& adults).

lazyjaney presumably if your child hits another hild who then hits yours back you would see that ad the fault if the other child and their parents and not your child for being out of control

Now that's another thing, some dog owners are thick as shit too beacause they should nt be walked in this heat , ours is done first thing in morn and again at dusk at the moment

Donnadoon, some dog owners work nights.

Mine are walked mid afternoon, a slow, gentle amble to the shaded woods where they are let off lead. I carry a bottle of water and collapsible bowl with me.

They'd be climbing the walls if I just didn't walk them.

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You are completely deluded, nowhere does the law say that a parent has an onus to keep a child under control, in any dog bite case, in a public place. (If anything the law will next move to protect children in private places, even the dog owner's property, whack IMO is actually OTT)

The opposite is the case in fact, the dog owner is expected to act with due care, in fact its not even necessary now that the dog did bite, just that it potentially could bite, for action to be brought.

an out of control todder poses no risk of ripping someone's face off. an out of control dog does - leads should be compulsory

Fairenuff Doinmecleaning
It's the ones I've seen near to collapse out in the sun with no shade I'm referring to

Lol @ donnadoon about reigns

My dog is walked early in morning and then not tim after 6 as its too damn hot for her, she does go off the lead if there is no one about but if there are kids sround I keep her close and on the lead. She is entitled to be exercised and wander in public places the same as everyone else is provided she is under control and I clean up after her

Donnadoon you'd be astounded what sort of things we've seen. Kids sitting on the side of the agility ring holding out bits of food to the dogs that are working, and one parent let their kid run in to the ring and started running up and down the see saw in the middle of the trial. They were abusive when I had to stop my dog mid run and tell them to come and get their child. We ended up having to get security to escort them out because they wouldn't keep their child out of the ring. One day just before best in show at a major event, a free range child spilt a milkshake over a white standard poodle. Dog had to be withdrawn, and not even a sorry from the parent.